OT: Never complain about the cost of meat

[MasterChiToes]

Wade said:
As for chemicals, hormones, cloning, genetic alteration, etcetera; if this technology improves the quality of life for humans then use it. If this technology has irrefutable evidence harming quality of life for humans then improve it.

Do you live in a worker's paradise where "irrefutable evidence" is funded by mega-corporations that go out of their way to throw away easy profits?
I personally find myself living in a world where more often than not any research that might threaten profits will not only not be funded but will cost scientists their careers.

Note that recent news article about a scientist being offered a job if he guaranteed he'd come out against the existence of global warming.

Anyway, I consider myself largely indifferent to the extremes of the food debate, and don't really care about being mightily smote. But the whole call for proof thing is a tired refrain, because skepticism without a level playing field of inquiry is little different from the Inquisition dismissing Galileo. Skepticism is not blindly believing in something until someone else proves you wrong.

Eat what you want... we are all going to die anyway.

[GuyOfDoom]

MasterChiToes said:


Do you live in a worker's paradise where "irrefutable evidence" is funded by mega-corporations that go out of their way to throw away easy profits?

Yeah guess who funds most of the research Fyron has apperantly read that tells you "not to worry."

[Renegade 13]

About feedlots I know next to nothing, except that they pay next to nothing for the cattle and turn around and charge an arm & leg for the finished product.

[GuyOfDoom]

Renegade 13 said:
About feedlots I know next to nothing, except that they pay next to nothing for the cattle and turn around and charge an arm & leg for the finished product.

That happens in a lot of areas. The unfortunate middle man syndrome.

[Fyron]

MasterChiToes said:
"But the whole call for proof thing is a tired refrain..."

Seeing as he offered to provide proof before anyone asked, this sentiment is completely irrelevant in this case.

[MasterChiToes]

Imperator Fyron said:
MasterChiToes said:
"But the whole call for proof thing is a tired refrain..."

Seeing as he offered to provide proof before anyone asked, this sentiment is completely irrelevant in this case.

Who did? Burn the witch! As Sarah Conner said, "There is no proof except that you snoof."

[GuyOfDoom]

I'll have to check with one of my co-workers, but I believe American farms are far more corporate than family owned. Difference in country I suppose.

You mentioned that you typically sell your cows at 600 lbs. I was under the impression that 600 lbs is fairly small for a beef cow.

[GuyOfDoom]

Alright while Physics might be your area, Biochemistry is one of mine. Starting from the top: Most food, beef is this instance is far from “natural.” Animals are consistently fed hormones, specially derived diets and antibiotics to keep them growing faster and bigger than ever. Those chemicals alter the animal on just about every level possible. The short version is that if it’s in the animals it makes it into us when we eat them. Even if I was being VERY conservative I’d could say we’re getting nanograms of various chemicals everytime we’re eating meat and it often takes less than that to affect a biological system. Then take into account how often people eat meat and how much they tend to eat. Do the math. If you’d like a few references for chemicals that have been PROVEN to show effects I can supply those for you. As for “no” evidence that comes from what it takes to conduct human studies. Again the short version is by the time it’s definitively “proven” in humans it’s 25+ years later and everyone has already been past dramaticaly affected. The FDA is about as good at regulating as the EPA {read WORTHLESS}.

Right there actually.

I hope the link is helpful, but I've got a bit too much to do recently narrow the search down too much.

[Renegade 13]

GuyOfDoom said:
You mentioned that you typically sell your cows at 600 lbs. I was under the impression that 600 lbs is fairly small for a beef cow.

600 lbs would be small, if it was a cow; these are calves that are being sold at around 6-7 months old. From when we sell them, they go on to the feedlot, where they are brought up to a slaughterable weight, which is well over 1000 lbs. A full grown cow that we sell can weigh upwards of 1500 lbs, a bull sometimes up to 2000 lbs.

[GuyOfDoom]

I was always under the impression that the feedlots raised the cattle as well. Hrm good to know.

I would imagine that the others as well as myself are refering to the feedlots for the various acts mentioned. I'd be curious to learn what you know about them.