Lord of fertility

[DrPraetorious]

Well, at that rate, soldiers should reduce population growth wherever they were stationed because they were eating the excess food. It's the same issue as with civilization - in the real world, armies are built out of population, not lumber or ore or even gold.

So if we wanted to address inconsistencies like the one you describe, we'd start by redoing the entire unit production and maintanence system, not by reworking the special power of a seldom used God.

That said, the Lord of Plenty could produce X people per month. Since those people would grow exponentially if you had growth (and decay exponentially if you had death), you'd want to take the Growth scale.

OTOH, a lord of plenty who spread death and disease, sparing only those in his holy capital, would be pretty cool, I think. Pilgrims flock to his great city to grovel and beg for mercy from the generous one.

Likewise, the Soul Eater (or the Colour from the Spheres) consumes 500 people per month in whatever province his holiness resides in. He takes a growth scale so that his empire can survive his vile appetites?

[Nick_K]

I think the point is not that giving growth would be overpowered but that it would be unthematic for a god with death-scale. If you want the lord of fertility to encourage growth then you should give him the growth scale when you select your dominion

[Gandalf Parker]

It could be overpowering. Ive seen posts by some veterans that say that in certain game setups, taking growth becomes a no-brainer. So a pretender who also boosts growth cant b e considered lightly.

[Xietor]

yeah,

you take growth Gandalf, then when my armies capture your capital, i will have that many more worshipers for my pretender

[Gandalf Parker]

Xietor said:
yeah,

you take growth Gandalf, then when my armies capture your capital, i will have that many more worshipers for my pretender

Wasnt me. I rarely take growth. Go argue the point with the guys in the irc channel if you dare

[Shovah32]

But a pretender who increases growth in a single province wouldnt be such a big deal would it? I personally believe than in larger maps where you plan to keep recruiting commanders and making castles you have to atleast restrain from taking death, generally because unless you continue expanding quickly your economy slowly chokes and dies.

[Meglobob]

Shovah32 said:
But a pretender who increases growth in a single province wouldnt be such a big deal would it?

In your capital it would, if you took gowth-3 and had a pretender that doubled that for example and then took order-3 on top. You would be stinkingly rich and money talks early on in the game, more troops, more mages, more castles etc...

Remember, your capital usually provides 50%+ of your income for the first 10 or so turns. Whenever you suggest a change you have to look at how much it can be exploited in order to retain balance.

[MaxWilson]

Gandalf Parker said:
Wasnt me. I rarely take growth. Go argue the point with the guys in the irc channel if you dare

Really? I would have expected you of all people, O Gandalf of the Huge Maps and Forever Long Games, to see Growth as a good investment. Do you just find it uninteresting or unthematic for the nations you play?

Any province that's had a Growth-3 dominion for 23 turns or longer is pulling in 21+% extra income, which is as good as Order-3. The advantage to Order is those initial 23 turns of higher income (of course Order and Growth is even better).

-Maximilian

[DrPraetorious]

Order also reduces the chance of random events, so it allows you to take Misfortune - the net effect of which is that Order is cheaper than Growth.

But yes, you want both.

[Saxon]

Good to hear that beer has opened the doors of perception. Please let me know if they will now accept oranges as payment for your rent, as I foresee a excellent export business from Kenya and a happy business partnership between us.

I believe I now need to start a game with this god and role play the carrots. Shame about my new baby, this could be a really fun AAR!