Austrian OOB - J35 Draken OSD

[Shan]

Hi Don,

We (Austria) still retain the Saab-105OEs for theoretical use as fighter-bombers (even though it's an over-powered trainer only...)- the rockets for the 105s most likely don't exist any more, I heard they were all used up in training; however - I'll check on this one; but I added a Saab 105 in an existing configuration with 2 30mm Aden gun pods (nonsense to buy that unit in the game however) and a PC-7 as COIN fighter in a configuration that truly exists for training with 2 MG pods and 2 rocket pods; for the fighters (Draken, F-5E, Typhoon), I deleted all other weapons besides the guns - say this is nonsense, but then, don't tell me, tell that to our politicians... but it's a fact that these fighers have no A/G role and might be used for strafing only; also, don't come up with old stocks of bombs that might still exist - no, they don't, unless Siddhi or soemone else with good sources may be able to confirm the contrary.

Just like in the threads about Finland and Switzerland, again: Our so-called air force is really meant only for air policing (besides utility tasks), not even air serious defence as in those countries; this clearly does not include and air/ground capability; our OOB isn't finished yet, but be assured you'll receive detailed infos on what we changed and why...

Regards,

Shan

[DRG]

You can remove all the bombs and say they cannot be used becasue the Polititians said so and I will say that in the event of a major conflict there would be bombs and missles attached to hardpoints faster that you could say " I didn't think they could do that"

If you want to emasculate the Austrian airforce it's your OOB but the GAME is designed to recreate warfare not "air policing" and I can assure you when the patch is released the new Swiss OOB has an airforce with full functionality for theoretical combat.


Don

[Shan]

You seem to misunderstand this - there are no bombs in storage, let alone advanced A/G munitions. So what is in storage will be available for conflict, and we are trying to include this, even though no peacetime training has been done with it, alright, but all other things are just fiction.

[DRG]

ANYTHING we project beyond today is "just fiction"

Don

[Shan]

OK, about the Typhoon: The first aircraft is already being test-flown in Manching/Germany with the manufacturer and must be delivered in June, according to the contract - 4 Typhoons are to be delivered in 2007 in total, the remaining 12 in 2008-2009; check http://www.airpower.at/; So June should be fine, but with NO A/G weapons whatsoever of course; (these are Tranche 1 aircraft anyway); Political developments on this issue are changing every day, however, so there might be changes, but we'll see; for game purposes leave June '07;

[DRG]

An aircraft in this game "with NO A/G weapons whatsoever" is usless and will not be added regardless of contract delivery dates.

Also..... I deal with 92 OOB's and hundreds of thousands of bits of information in them. However, if I had every last bit of information at my figertips I would work for Janes and make more money with lot's less aggravation. Please explain what I'm supposed to make of .."these are Tranche 1 aircraft anyway"

??

Don

[DRG]

......AND when they will be fully operational.

[JohnHale]

"An aircraft in this game "with NO A/G weapons whatsoever" is useless and will not be added regardless of contract delivery dates."

Don,

This is almost certainly the case with Austria's Typhoons. Air-to-Ground weaponry (other than internal gun) will not be fitted for a few years yet.

"Tranche 1" means the first production batch, btw.

[mr_clark]

DRG said:

An aircraft in this game "with NO A/G weapons whatsoever" is usless and will not be added regardless of contract delivery dates.

Also..... I deal with 92 OOB's and hundreds of thousands of bits of information in them. However, if I had every last bit of imformation at my figertips I would work for Janes and make more money with lot's less aggravation. Please explain what I'm supposed to make of .."these are Tranche 1 aircraft anyway"

??

Don

The Tranche 1 aircraft are the first production version which don't (yet) include the systems needed to use AG ammo.
They are, like planned in the design, pure fighters.

[Marcello]

"Air-to-Ground weaponry (other than internal gun) will not be fitted for a few years yet."

Could they carry dumb bombs, at least in a pinch?