Air Cobras

[Dimitry]

2 loktarr

I'm not sure about it but I think that you miss some point about the size in game: I think it represents not only the actual size of the unit but also his mobility... Why? Because size is used as a factor in to-hit determination, thus it probably includes the agility of the helo, and I'm pretty sure that hitting an Aircobra is much harder than hitting a slow going Mi-8. Am I wrong?

Actually - it's MI-2, not MI-8. And yes, MI-8 is slower than MI-2.
And if I am not mistaken, the SIZE in game manual is treated as DIMENSIONS.
Nothing is said about maneuverability or speed or anything else.

2 Don

When I asked if anybody ever bothers to test the changes they ask for in the game I meant just that. Did you bother to look at other Attack Helicopters and see how the Cobra compares ?? Why are we comparing it to a Light helo? There are Two Hundred and five Unit class 203 "Attack Helicopters" in the game that are size 2.

Well, I don't know the reason why can't we compare Cobra to a light helo.
And as far as I can see many choppers from your list are modifications of Air Cobra and Apache. So of course they will be the same size - because they are the SAME US Cobras or Apaches (just Iranian or Japanese or somebody's else) So they all (I mean modifications) should be sized 3.

And what about Cobra's EW. Will it be fixed?

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Dimitry said:
2 loktarr

Actually - it's MI-2, not MI-8. And yes, MI-8 is slower than MI-2.
And if I am not mistaken, the SIZE in game manual is treated as DIMENSIONS.
Nothing is said about maneuverability or speed or anything else.

First I must admit I was wrong, and took Mi-8 for Mi-2. My apologies for that.
Whatever is in the game manual, the fact is that size is you used to determine if the unit is hit and if it's spotted. It seems to me very clear that if you at overall capacities of both Mi-2 and AH1, the second is much harder to hit: the cobra has same max dimensions, but what about his shape?
But you are right: unit can avoid missiles with maneuvers, so maybe the OOB maker didn't take agility as a factor to determine size.

[Dimitry]

2 KraMax

Wow! Great pictures!
Thanks for the dimensions info.

2 loktarr

loktarr said:

First I must admit I was wrong, and took Mi-8 for Mi-2. My apologies for that.
Whatever is in the game manual, the fact is that size is you used to determine if the unit is hit and if it's spotted. It seems to me very clear that if you at overall capacities of both Mi-2 and AH1, the second is much harder to hit: the cobra has same max dimensions, but what about his shape?
But you are right: unit can avoid missiles with maneuvers, so maybe the OOB maker didn't take agility as a factor to determine size.

No, never mimd! I guess it was some kind of a misprint
As for the shape - just take a look at the pictures above and tell me which chopper is harder to hit?

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Dimitry said:
As for the shape - just take a look at the pictures above and tell me which chopper is harder to hit?

I will buy each one and try...