Pale one soldier-attack 8/old age

[Xietor]

I am talking MA argatha.

The extra benefits you mention of the pale one soldier, like being amphibian, offer no benefit when they are used in post 20 pd. They seem to be a weak unit for pd.

I am not sure what units early in the game, and before you have many spells, national summons, Argatha is supposed to use to fight off high defense blessed troops like vans, white centaurs, that attack you early in the game?

Talking about dark vision and such is nice, but not on turn 5 lol.

[Dedas]

Well, the Vans are to be toned down in the next patch as almost every nation have problem with them early on, MA Agartha is no exception.

But as I wrote, do not use the pale ones early on as they pretty much suck without backup magic or thugs. They are for later game or taking water provinces. Instead focus on getting the most out of their human infantry.

Another thing, MA Agartha is a pretty weak nation in early game, so you really need to research defensive spells and the like. Do not anger your neighbors until you have summons and support magic for you pale ones.

[Xietor]

actually Pangaea(the race i play most)can hold off vanaheim's double blessed vans early in the game, as can races with size 6 tramplers. I think Ermor also could with its sacred undead unit, if properly blessed.

But you are right, many nations cannot stop a double blessed van early in the game.

[Sir_Dr_D]

I like the Pales ones Low attack. It adds a lot of flavour.

What Agartha needsd to be balanced is their starting province to be cave province. Then it would be hard for anyone to attack them.

[Xietor]

flavor does not win battles! And the unit has no place being part of the pd after 20 in any event. If it is left alone, then at a minimum the unit after 20 should not be a pale one soldier.

maybe 1/2 pale one.