Dud units / monsters / summons

[Juzza]

Sombre said:
Another couple of recruits up for discussion.

Marignon - The flagellent. This guy just sucks. Seriously. Starts with a random affliction, often crippled or diseased, crummy stats and chaff status - they're sacred but in this case it's actually a drawback because you can't amass them. Are they /ever/ worth recruiting?

EA Oceania - Amber Guard Triton. Ok the goldcost isn't too bad. I can forgive the fact that they are aquatic. But check out that resource cost and they only get one more protection than the oceanian trooper. The shield isn't too helpful since they aren't going to run into missile fire either. So would you guys use them?

First of all there are a lot of different strategic ways to use Flaigrents mostly their moral for me, they have two attacks with one weapon, that means no ambidextrous penalty which means their getting 2 attacks at 9, or whatever it is for 10 gold, and if their blessed with fire, say 9, thats like an attack of 13 with fire, each two attacks takes 4 off a creatures defence and if you have but 3 of them blessed up to something with even 20 defence they will take it down within one round.

Second Shields don't only effect missle fire, if an attack beats defence but not the shield parry you add the shield protection to the creatures normal protection, shields are far from useless.

Dedas said:
Somehow it seems like a waste as you rarely need all that extra magic resistance on any sacred Marignon unit.

Any scared unit? all the Marignon summonable angelic units are sacred not to mention the knights of the chalice for the MA, if you don't bless them your missing out on a huge part of Marignon.

HoneyBadger said:
Here's another one, the EA Atlantis Basalt Guard. Powerful unit, but because it doesn't wear a helmet, it can't get the full use of an earth-bless, it's got ridiculous resource-cost, it's capital only, and doesn't even get a patrol-bonus, despite-in the description-being the "ultimate guards".

Again, like the Niefel footsoldier, neat unit in theory, in practice-not much worth using at all.

Their desined for clogging castle gates, with even a little bit fire bless and earth to reduce fatigue, two attacks with high attack, almost impossible to take down underwater with no missile fire.

I also have to dissagree with the Niefel footsoldier, theres alot of strategic ways to use this unit using things such as a 4N bless will make them next to impossible to take down with all that heath, with regeneration their chance of getting alifictions is next to nothing because of all their health.

Jazzepi said:
Has anyone actually found a good use for patrol bonuses? It seems like castle defense/seige is far more useful.

Or pillaging bonuses, for that matter. I actually think it would be interesting if pillaging was a switch you could flip on and off. I don't see why an army can't pillage as it moves through a province. It could be more effective the longer you stay in one place, but I think it would be more realistic to have a huge army rampaging through the opponent's land pillaging as it goes.

Jazzepi

Simple, for patrolling, if you've got a commander with say 20 patrol bonus you can have say 5-8 of them patrolling in a province where your constantly blood hunting, your still getting money from the province, not using an army to patrol the province so thats another army to fight rather than sitting in the middle of your nation patrolling and if you have a decent grow this will hardly even effect the population of the province.

[Sombre]

Juzza said:
First of all there are a lot of different strategic ways to use Flaigrents mostly their moral for me, they have two attacks with one weapon, that means no ambidextrous penalty which means their getting 2 attacks at 9, or whatever it is for 10 gold, and if their blessed with fire, say 9, thats like an attack of 13 with fire, each two attacks takes 4 off a creatures defence and if you have but 3 of them blessed up to something with even 20 defence they will take it down within one round.

You're ignoring the fact that they're all crippled and diseased - half of them aren't going to do any good at all without a serious bless and a serious bless could make any unit good. I do take the point about two attacks, but I still think they're not worth it unless they have afflictions removed.

Second Shields don't only effect missle fire, if an attack beats defence but not the shield parry you add the shield protection to the creatures normal protection, shields are far from useless.

I'm not saying shields are useless, just that they're less useful for aquatic chappies. My main gripe with the amber clan guys is that they get 1 more protection on body, head and shield for 14 resources, which makes their Rcost almost double that of the standard oceanian soldier (34 compared to 20). They are better in stats, but that's what your extra gold is paying for - the amber armour is a resource hogging ripoff.

Any scared unit? all the Marignon summonable angelic units are sacred not to mention the knights of the chalice for the MA, if you don't bless them your missing out on a huge part of Marignon.

He's not saying don't bless them, he just doesn't think the MR boost is worth it for marignon.



Does anyone make use of pillaging bonus? It seems rare, slight and pretty useless.

[Edi]

Only units that I remember having pillage bonus are the barbarians, barbarian chief and barbarian lord. Might have been one or two other units, but there are very few units that have it.

[Juzza]

I never use pillaging on computer players, only ever vs human opponents, with large sneaking armies, you appear in provinces next to their capital or major cities with somthing like a harvester of sorrows and a huge army and decimate their populations, then they can't move armies though there easierly, rec is reduced and income from the province is gone, and you make enough money from the pillaging to replace the army you just sent deep into enemy territory from whiping out 20000 people.