Parganos game for 6 players (running)

[st.patrik]

Fact: Man has not attacked C'Tis
Fact: C'Tis has attacked Man

It's one thing to not ignore a threat, it's another to attack without provocation. I wouldn't have had a problem with C'Tis taking any number of defensive actions. I do have a problem with being attacked without warning or provocation.

You claim my action harmed you; My action did not harm you - If any harm was done in your war against Jomon it was your choice and therefore YOU harmed you. Besides, one of my scouts observed your armies continuing to push the attack against Jomon, so your claim that you pulled your armies west is simply not true.

Sending your Air Queen to attack one of my territories is not an 'exercise' but an unprovoked attack that is tantamount to a declaration of war.

[Tuidjy]

There is no point in splitting hairs and trying to prove that
technically my air queen attacked first. No one denies that.
No one denies that you are very skilled at getting something
for nothing, washing your hands, and walking away.

The 'exercises' were a provocation. We do not know whether
you only intended to derail our Jomon campaign. Maybe you
meant to invade, but were scared of actually having to fight
instead of tricking someone else to pay the butcher's bill.
Maybe you came to believe that others would attack you as soon
as you became engaged with our returning forces. Maybe you
even wanted to trick us into throwing flames and plagues at
your forces and retreat back under the Gift of Health.

We do not care, and we hope no other nation does. Through
skillful and disgusting maneuvering you have achieved a
position of power. It remains to be seen whether it will
survive any actual combat. The people of C'tis hope that
other nations see you for the threat you are.

[st.patrik]

It's not that you attacked first; it's that you attacked, and I didn't.

I hope no-one is fooled by this propaganda into believing that I am the aggressor here. There is one simple truth to this situation: you attacked my province without warning or provocation; I still have not lifted one finger against any of your provinces.

I tire of the poisonous talk.

[st.patrik]

Man set to AI. I'm off to find a less offensive game.

[Ewierl]

st.patrik said:
Man set to AI. I'm off to find a less offensive game.

Seriously? Jeez, people. Someone misrepresenting the causes of a war in in-game terms (ie, referring to nations not players) is pretty standard MP forum propaganda.

[Sensori]

And hell, those things rarely are actual personal attacks. They are an indicator of success more than that. It shows that C'tis instantly got nervous of you having troops on his border and started talking against you, even if it was completely innocent, which in turn shows that he fears you.

This is, actually, supposed to be a good thing.

But I really have no idea why he would attack with a Queen of Elemental Air, though, if the army was actually that strong. Sounds like a blunder to me.

[Tuidjy]

> But I really have no idea why he would attack with a Queen of Elemental Air,
> though, if the army was actually that strong. Sounds like a blunder to me.

Oh, it was not one army. He moved four or five armies to most of our border
provinces. His armies were full of siege specialists and they were close enough
to crack three castles in one turn, and my capital in two. There may be a
way this coudl have been innocent, but there is no way it looked innocent ;-)

I sent the Air Queen on top of his army because I needed her in a neighboring
province one turn later, wanted his army to waste gems, and wanted to do some
damage. And frankly, I knew I could not stop the castles' takeover no matter
what, so I wanted to show some fight ;-)

By the way, if the Air Queen had not interpreted "Attack archers" as "Attack
undead, illusions, and anything but archers, even if they are standing next to you"
she may have won. As it is, she killed about 60 men (25%) from a army led
by 10 mages and routed.

[Tuidjy]

Ok, lets be serious here.

First of all, if moving 1500 troops and 100 mages to an undefended border is not
provocation, I do not know what is.

Second, unrest is being stirred in my provinces, and I would be exteremely
surprised if it is Jomon's ninjas doing it. They are too busy assassinating
my priests with variable success.

Third, my only western army was hit with Beconning, and while there is another
Nature nation in the game, I don't see why it would be weakening me.

And fourth, who the Hell cares who started the war... roleplaying is one thing,
and the C'tis Emperor has been a whiny coward the whole game, but it is clear
that Man and C'tis have to fight. As far as I am concerned, since Man broke
the alliance, I have never needed a reason to attack him. I just had a
multitude of reasons not to, no matter how much I wanted it.

Other nations will decide which side (if any) to take based on their
perception of the balance of power, and on the existing alliances. I
think I am significantly weaker than Man, and I did not expect Man to
receive any support, with or without propaganda.

I feel that I need to engage in both diplomacy and propaganda, given
that I am sitting in the middle of the map, bordering everyone (and
Jomon twice ;-) I do not think I have said one single factual lie the
whole time, and if something is subject to interpretation, I would
like to hear Man's.

Any chance this game can be salvaged? Can the AI be given to a player?
Man is the most powerful nation in my estimate, and setting it to AI
will ruin the game. I am sure that C'tis, Mictlan and Pangea (in alpha order)
can work together to defeat it, but if I wanted to stomp AIs, I'd be playing SP.