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April 27th, 2007, 07:03 AM
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Flail wielding troops - too few ?
Hi
I was wondering if you thought there were too few troops armed with flails/morningstars. I love flails/morningstars (they negate shields) but most nations don't have any. Except Abyssia, and Ulm in some eras - not all. I'm probably missing some, but not many.
Some goes with indies. Apart from the knights in MA and mostly LA, no troops have flails.
Don't you think there should be more of them ? They would be a great addition to gameplay. Right now troops with shield have a huge advantage because of the missile protection and higher defense. Flails change that : they trash shields. It would balance things out. High defense troops would no longer be so good in all circumstances (think ... vanheim or troops with tower shields).
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April 27th, 2007, 07:05 AM
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Re: Flail wielding troops - too few ?
Morningstars also got the "flail" bonus. They don't have two attacks though but do double the damage.
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April 27th, 2007, 07:07 AM
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Re: Flail wielding troops - too few ?
Marignon has flaggies. Ermor and pythium have those gladiator units with flails,...
I think there are others, maybe more than you realise.
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April 27th, 2007, 07:08 AM
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Re: Flail wielding troops - too few ?
Ha, I realise I forgot to mention morningstars in my thread. I had them in mind too. Thanks for pointing it out Dedas. I'll change my 1st post.
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April 27th, 2007, 07:25 AM
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Re: Flail wielding troops - too few ?
"Flail" bonus does not mean "ignore shields" any more - that was in Dom2.
Straight from the newest version of the mod manual ... :
4.24 #flail
The weapon has an attack bonus against shields.
sry ..
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April 27th, 2007, 07:49 AM
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Re: Flail wielding troops - too few ?
Yes, and the bonus is +2 to attack skill. But that isn't so bad as it sounds though when you are fighting against someone equipped with a shield. For example:
Black Plate Infantry
10 attack skill base
11 attack skill with flail or morningstar
13 attack skill against shield equipped foe
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April 27th, 2007, 09:20 AM
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Re: Flail wielding troops - too few ?
Theres quite a few troops with Flails, everyone 'can' get flaigrents, from random events, ulm has them in the middle age, abysia has them all the way through, some of the indipent Knights can have morningstars, but it's not a huge amount, considering say the amount of short swords or broad swords, even daggers they aren't particularly common.
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