Thuggity Thug [efficient thug builds]

[sum1lost]

How about an ethereal def 31, awe, protection 22, luck, mr 20, immunity to poison, fire immunity, cold resist, poison cloud, regeneration with an aoe sword?

<3 erinye.

[HoneyBadger]

That's not too bad, if you started with a basic human or something

[jutetrea]

So what are considered the great non-unique chassis?

For arguments sake - say moderate HP (30+), moderate EQ (const. 6) and moderately expensive (around 60 gems)

Bane Lord - 12 gems, ok HP, undead (no enc, CR), can regen, all slots
Wraith lord - 40 gems, D3 - soul vortex, can regen, all slots, summons ghosts, no enc
Sleeper - less HP, less resistences, 10 gems, all slots, can regen
Golem - mindless, can't regen, S2+skullcap = teleport/slay plus eth, luck, twist, astral shield, no enc, 30 gems, all slots

Beyond the 4 common ones who are considered good?
By path - does fire have one? Water? Earth? Air? Blood has a few, starting with succubus up to some heliophage/lords/archdevils.
By nation - any nation specific? Umbral? Jarls? Unfamiliar with Lanka/patala demon summonings, Mict specific blood summons?

Are some of the knights considered worthwhile? I could see grey knights being worthwhile from the get-go with ethereal.

Any specific heroes that stand out as good base models?

Any worthwhile caster heavy SC's? Either just via buffs or combat magic as well?

Any units that make a great SC with the right prophetize/bless combo?

[vfb]

Harbringers are amazing. I've only tried them out in SP, but they've got flight, great Air buffing potential, good HP, can bless themsleves, brutal precision, and absolutely fry demons/undead with their built in massive area ranged attack. Just 25 gems a pop, and Conj 6. Have to be Pythium or Marignon though .

Mictlan Tlahuelpuchi cost 25 blood and are Blood 6. I like to send them out with just a regen ring, a bane venom charm, and some blood slaves. They can fly into an enemy capital, turn into a super-stealth dog and disease it for a while. When you get Blood 7, assassination using Leech is very effective.

[jutetrea]

yeah, completely forgot about the angels - most of which rock.

Seraph - expensive but fantastic, actually my favorite SC and I never play Marignon/Pythium. Can't remember cost.

Angel of Wrath(?)- all slots + vengeance, not sure bout cost/stats...but vengeance is a big plus.

[alexti]

jutetrea said:

So what are considered the great non-unique chassis?

For arguments sake - say moderate HP (30+), moderate EQ (const. 6) and moderately expensive (around 60 gems)

It depends on what the chassis is for. I like spectral mages and black servants. Tartarians are pretty good for higher end. Out of nation specific, Niefel Jarls are the obvious choice. Lanka's are good too. Even something as fragile as eagle king can be made into a reasonable thug

[SlipperyJim]

Gift of Reason opens up some interesting Thug options....

But yeah, to echo the previous posters, the best non-unique Thugs for me are:

• Bane Lords,
• Banes,
• Wraith Lords,
• Troll Kings (land or sea!),
• Firbolgs, and
• Tartarians

I've never tried a Black Servant Thug, though it's on my To-Do list for the next game.

[HoneyBadger]

I have a really great thug chassis that has been overlooked, but I'm in the middle of a couple of MP games right now, and I'd rather it be a surprise So, when the game's over, I'll post about it on this thread.

[thejeff]

What about gear for Jotunheim?

Not Neifel Jarls, but regular Godes, Jarls and Skratti?
They should be thuggable, especially since the priests can self-bless.

Particularly Death and Nature items, since I've got lots of those gems.