Thuggity Thug [efficient thug builds]

[Edi]

Since people are asking about Faerun, I might as well let out that I finished province borders on the new Dom3 one yesterday. Now I need to add the white dots and then create the actual map file. It's going to be huge, much bigger than the original Faerun 424 map for Dom2 and much better looking too. I'll make a smaller version later. Couple of weeks for the first one to come out, more time for the smaller version.

[Meglobob]

Edi said:
Since people are asking about Faerun, I might as well let out that I finished province borders on the new Dom3 one yesterday. It's going to be huge, much bigger than the original Faerun 424 map for Dom2 and much better looking too.

Excellent Edi, look forward to seeing it.

Just downloaded Twans Greyhawk, should amuse me till then.

Did the majority of my roleplaying in Greyhawk, so should bring back many good memories.

[jutetrea]

Very much looking forward to it EDI, my favorite map by far. More specials!

[Tuidjy]

Since everyone is going off topic I may as well join in. Has a game ever been
taken to the end on a 400+ province map? I would love a smaller Faerun map.
The only time I tried the original one, half the players were stalling one
turn out of two by the time the first wars started. Once I destroyed my first
opponent, and bloodied the second one's nose, I lost interest myself. I think
I had 45+ provinces and the leader was STILL growing unopposed, having not met a
human player yet.

[Amhazair]

Yep, Calmon won a game (Fearun MA PBEM) on the big Faerun map not so long ago. The game lasted 75'ish turns, and was won by acquiring 30/46? VP provinces.

[Saxon]

EA Ulm is particularly tasty at producing items on the cheap. Cheap mages with forge bonus + dwarven hammers. In my last game I got a construction magic site on top of that! While none of their units stand out as ‘thugable” they are well placed to summon and create well equipped thugs. On a large map, they could get the gem income and spend it cheaply to have multiple good thugs.

[SlipperyJim]

In Dom1, a Jotun Jarl made an excellent Thug. I haven't played the giants in Dom3 yet, but I don't think they've changed so much as to render the Jarls non-thuggable.

Lamia Queens aren't exactly Thugs, but a few of them with some decent equipment (especially Spell Focus & Ring of Sorcery) can be very good at slaughtering hordes of chaff with nasty evocations.

[thejeff]

Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how to equip them on the cheap.

Water bless. Lots of Nature and Death gems. Only Const 4 so far.
Horror Helm is obvious. Vine Shield, probably. Not sure what's best for the other slots. There isn't a lot of good armor I can make.

[Shovah32]

Lucky coin/pendant, horror helm, maybe ring of regen. Snake bladder stick is great for chaff killing.

[lch]

True on that Snake bladder thing. Here's a fun setup with almost pure nature gem usage for the Bandars:

Siddha with 4x Snake bladder stick, Starshine Skullcap, Hydra Skin armor, Birch Boots, Amulet of Resilience
Script to Personal luck, Resist Magic, Body Ethereal, Mistform, Astral Shield (maybe replace with Blessing in case you're using a bless), attack rearmost

Battle reports are fun to watch. His mapmove 10 and flying plus the ability to Cloud Trapeze AND Teleport make him an awesome raider. You could drop the Birch boots, if you want. Maybe replace the Birch boots and Amulet of Resilience with Boots of the Messenger and some other misc item, experiment a bit. Weaknesses: Undeads, mass archers.