OT- Argentina, what a country!

Cylapse · #1 April 30th, 2002, 06:00 PM

You know, as someone in Phoenix, AZ... I would not have thought that this would affect me. Hell, honestly, I had to figure out WHERE Argentina was (ditched history in school, so incidentally geography went with it)

...Anyway, this enrages me deeply, and forced me to consider how things are over here as well... There is a bigger fake-smile on things and, of course, the economy has some stability (some *lol*)... but Banks arent much different. Its funny, I think someone at my bank, for example, waits and watches until my account gets to a lower amount, and then -and only then- do they post those "delayed" transactions... *LOL* They robbed my *** blind, pulled me into a negative and cleared my savings account as an act of "overdraft protection"... bull**** *lol* Thieves.

Anyway, I feel for your cause, and have been watching this thread... I know I cant really do anything, but Im glad you and your people there have the balls, initiative, and drive to accomplish as much as you have. I mean ****, 5 presidents in 12 days? Did I read that right? Obviously... the people as a whole are a force to be reckoned with.

And hell - if non-violent actions cannot solve the problem... if worse comes to worse... revenge can feel good with homemade explosives... Not to be the voice of evil, violence or terrorism... But from I've read here, and heard elsewhere - **** the Argentina Government. Would feel no sympathy if mysterious fires erupted and took down some of those offices. Should things turn too far - its either time to go, or time to take the country back.

Wardad · #2 April 30th, 2002, 06:51 PM

I feel for you and Argentina. You will be in my prayers.

May your good capable people be ALLOWED to succeed.
May their heirs be ALLOWED to fail.

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God Bless

wr8th · #3 April 30th, 2002, 10:22 PM

Andres,

Buena suerte para Ud. y su familia!

I was thinking about you a couple weeks back as I was downloading some of your shipsets and read your address as being from Argentina.

The things we take for granted... like having a good sense of what tomoroow will likely bring and it isn't anarchy, is something to be thankful for.

Best wishes.

Karel · #4 April 30th, 2002, 10:27 PM

sorry, no economic wonder.

Economic Wonders don't happen. There are things we can't explain, but a wonder, no. Very simple: an economy needs some basic terms, for example good (tax)laws, healty finacial system (e.g. trustworthy(to exclude Andersen) accountants, banks, analyst, press, ect), less corruption, stabile government, etc.

sorry Andres, but like you know, Argentina violates some of these basic terms and to fix them will take a lot of time even with a 'honest' government, I mean a government who forces banks to give them loans???? Unbelievable.

Here in Holland the reaction from Dutch multinationals to the Argentina crisis is withdrawing or freezing of operations in Argentina. To get their trust and money back will take a long time.

jimbob · #5 May 1st, 2002, 09:21 AM

Andres,

I'm really sorry to hear how badly things are (continuing) to go in Argentina

. It's an incredible shame that the people entrusted to run the country for the people systematically robbed them.

The worst part is, these corrupt individuals probably are incapable of having shame... they had to be forced from office, not having the morality to see their unmatched ambition and corruption!

I wish you the best, you and your country. May God have mercy on the humble, and may He crush the proud under His feet (what other hope can there be?).

-jimbob

Phoenix-D · #6 May 1st, 2002, 09:23 AM

"they had to be forced from office, not having the morality to see their unmatched ambition and corruption!"

If they had that, they probably wouldn't have done it in the first place..

Phoenix-D

jimbob · #7 May 1st, 2002, 10:06 AM

Yeah,

Don't think me too much a sucker, but I firmly believe that (nearly) everyone has a concience. Oh sure, they milk a little, they skim a bit, and pretty soon they skim a lot without really considering the consequences. I could see myself slipping down that slippery slope pretty easily anyway (the "hey, it's just money, it's not like I killed anybody" argument).

And then <blam!> all the cheating of the economy catches up with them! (and unfortunately, it catches up with Argentina) Now if they have any inkling of a concience left, it's time to resign, and admit wrong-doing.

I guess it's pretty unreasonable to cut these scum-bags any moral slack - though powerful people caught in immoral places have fessed up and apologized before.