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July 5th, 2007, 08:05 PM
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Re: Development questions, please respond.
3x the Calibre? Ok, just to clarify can I have some examples? Thanks for explaining what "IIRC" means.
As for Spain, well in the mod I am working on, the Germans have access to the Spanish tungsten. Besides, the guns are nice and long so both bases are covered. I do agree though, tanks that big with guns that big are unwieldy and only good in open terain. Ideal for the Russian Steppe then.
What do you think about the figures I have already posted up?
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July 7th, 2007, 09:30 AM
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Re: Development questions, please respond.
off-topic:
just a thought, shouldn't you give germany access to portuguese tungsten, rather than spanish tungsten?
since AFAIK at the time of the war the major sources of tungsten ore were in portugal, not in spain
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July 7th, 2007, 06:38 PM
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Re: Development questions, please respond.
Spain, Portugal, either way they have access to it!
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July 7th, 2007, 08:14 PM
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Re: Development questions, please respond.
These figures are, by now probably out of date!
Ok, Here we have the new figures for the 175mm and, the as of yet unmentioned, 128mm guns. What do you guys think?
For the 175mm (60s Variant):
Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 12
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 9
HE Pen.: 4
HE Kill: 25
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 46
Sabot range: 115
HEAT Pen.: 56
Weapon range: 125
For the 175mm (70s Variant):
Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 12
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 9
HE Pen.: 4
HE Kill: 25
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 50
Sabot range: 120
HEAT Pen.: 62
Weapon range: 130
For the 175mm (80s Variant):
Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 12
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 9
HE Pen.: 4
HE Kill: 25
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 58
Sabot range: 130
HEAT Pen.: 65
Weapon range: 130
For the 128mm (60s Variant):
Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 11
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 7
HE Pen.: 3
HE Kill: 14
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 40
Sabot range: 110
HEAT Pen.: 50
Weapon range: 120
For the 128mm (70s Variant):
Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 11
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 7
HE Pen.: 3
HE Kill: 16
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 45
Sabot range: 110
HEAT Pen.: 55
Weapon range: 120
For the 128mm (80s Variant):
Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 11
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 7
HE Pen.: 3
HE Kill: 17
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 52
Sabot range: 120
HEAT Pen.: 65
Weapon range: 120
For the 128mm (90s Variant):
Weapon class: 7
Accuracy: 14
Weapon size: 12
Warhead size: 7
HE Pen.: 3
HE Kill: 18
AP Pen.: -
AP Kill: -
Sabot Pen.: 70
Sabot range: 120
HEAT Pen.: 65
Weapon range: 120
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July 9th, 2007, 02:22 PM
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Re: Development questions, please respond.
OK, let's me get this straight: are the germans going to develop and field FOUR (105/128/150/175mm) tank guns in parallel?
That's a massive waste of effort and a logistical nightmare. If some uber AFV is needed for the propaganda newsreels you can always stick an artillery or naval gun on it. But for actual tanks, TD and Stug you should cut it down to no more than two pieces (you might need something lighter for armored cars and such but I am speaking about guns in this class) at any given time.
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July 9th, 2007, 06:27 PM
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Re: Development questions, please respond.
Well honestly, Hitler wasn't exactly known for making logistically conscious decisions, and the German Army from day one was a logistical nightmare because it had to make ends meet on equipment. Depending on SGTGunn's alternate history, Hitler might still take responsibility for all armament development decisions at a certain point (as he did in real life), which might lead to this situation.
Remember, Hitler was the guy who with limited resources decided to produce two initial production runs of tanks, one of which would become the Tiger, and other of which they had to find a use for. The decision to create the Ferdinand/Elephant was not one that had been preplanned for the excess, it was done because they needed to make use of them.
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July 9th, 2007, 07:24 PM
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"Remember, Hitler was the guy who with limited resources decided to produce two initial production runs of tanks, one of which would become the Tiger, and other of which they had to find a use for."
Well the usual story was that it was a Porsche decision, as the guy felt that he had already won and thus decided to start production in advance. Hitler liked Porsche design but actually listened to the informed opinion that it was unsuitable for mass production. Besides RecruitMonty is posting data for the 90's and Hitler would not be around anymore.
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