Best Unit in the Game... Any thoughts?

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Well, Tartarians are a lot cheaper than the Demon Lords. They're also cheaper than Abominations, and it's the 1 in 5 Titan/Cyclops/Spirit that can be kitted out and cast Petrify and buffs that really makes a difference.

[Kristoffer O]

Best unit is Daughter of Typhon, no question. Pity she is restricted to Sauromatia and serpent cult Pythium

[Meglobob]

PvK said:

I think Tartarians would be much closer to balanced (and more interesting) if their starting afflictions could not be healed.

I utterly disagree. You would just make another lvl 9 spell fairly useless/boring. Leave Tartarians as is. If you did as you suggest, I would just summon bane lords for 12D gems and never use Tartarians. So you would just remove a fun part of the game. It takes considerable planning and skill to get Tartarians/Chalice or Tartarians/Gift of Health and a decent death/nature income to take advantage of it all. It is most certainly not inbalanced and is very much needed in ending long MP games or long SP games for that matter if you actually want to complete them.

PvK said:I don't particularly like research levels having a strong effect on balance.

Put research upto very hard, then you can battle away with your armies without magic having any real influence.

[PvK]

I think Air Elementals are still very much worth it. They can tip the scales in battles (especially if you do several at once), and still only require an Air-1 mage with one gem.

False Horrors are still worth it too, IMO.

[Shovah32]

Air elementals are fine. Lesser air elementals are underwhelming.

[quantum_mechani]

PvK said:
I think Air Elementals are still very much worth it. They can tip the scales in battles (especially if you do several at once), and still only require an Air-1 mage with one gem.

False Horrors are still worth it too, IMO.

I agree, I use elementals of all types and levels, though of course only in niche situations. I don't think false horror is usless either, though far, far less good than it it used to be. There is a pretty good case for vampires, especially the high research summons, being nerfed to oblivion though.

[MaxWilson]

False Horrors got nerfed? They're gem-free, ethereal, have decent defense, cost 10 fatigue, and have two attacks. That seems pretty decent to me, though not overwhelming. What did they used to be like?

In my SP house rules I've modded the Summon Lesser Elemental spells to cast 95 fatigue but require 2 path levels. I still don't use them but this cost seems more fair relative to Raise Skeletons.

-Max

[quantum_mechani]

MaxWilson said:
False Horrors got nerfed? They're gem-free, ethereal, have decent defense, cost 10 fatigue, and have two attacks. That seems pretty decent to me, though not overwhelming. What did they used to be like?

-Max

Used to only need 1a.

[Shovah32]

And worked very well with caelian seraphs when quickness meant 2 spells per round.