Jaguar - finished, Szumo declared winner

sum1lost · #1 July 6th, 2007, 06:49 PM

I think I owe Shinyuma a friendly handshake. Although he may have appreciated my message this turn.

Just not the messengers.

llamabeast · #2 July 6th, 2007, 07:08 PM

I thought we had a non-aggression pact, Pythium? You have shown yourself to be an oathbreaker of a most despicable kind. To the remaining free and non-doomed nations of the world - you would do well not to trust Pythium.

Fair point about the human rights abuses though. But it would have been much better to give the agreed 3 month warning.

sum1lost · #3 July 6th, 2007, 10:23 PM

I didn't know we had a non-aggression pact. I had not read my statement as a non-aggression pact. The 'Okay' was meant as a recognition of the statement that you would attack me if invaded.

In hindsight, my response was ambiguous enough that I can see how you interpreted it as an NAP, and I apologize for that.

Furthermore, if you wish you can post the full series of pms between the two of us involving that, as I feel that might help demonstrate how the confusion may have arisen.

I can in all honesty say that I did not consider my response to be considered as you considered it. Had I known that you understood it as an acceptance of your offer, I would have treated it as such.

If you wish, I will withdraw my forces for three months.

I would, however, like an apology for the insults.

llamabeast · #4 July 7th, 2007, 04:59 AM

Fair enough, that was an unfortunate misunderstanding. I suggest we consider it simply as an in-game misunderstanding. Shinuyama will consider Pythium as evil oath-breakers. Pythium will consider Shinuyama to be easily confused human rights abusers, who imagine pacts that never existed and would do better under Pythian rule. Don't worry about waiting, the PM exchange was as you say ambiguous and I put my certainty that we had an NAP down to Shinuyaman easily-confusedness.

I never meant to insult you in the first place (I was careful to call you Pythium). Obviously Shinuyama thinks Pythium's despicable. llamabeast feels only a general friendliness towards sum1won - many apologies if you felt I was getting at you personally. Not intended (nor would I do that kind of thing). No hard feelings on my part at all.

Lazy_Perfectionist · #5 July 7th, 2007, 06:52 PM

Hostilities with R'lyeh continue unabated. A messenger has been sent to R'lyeh with an offer of truce much less insulting than my first. I'm open to negotiations, but am prepared for the alternative of war.

I'd like to also mention to Man that the presence of all those troops on my border is far from comforting. And I'll state that I do believe in defense in depth. Certainly, my position is exposed and vulnerable, but war with me would gain you less than you would think. My battles with R'lyeh have been fought where I haven't had the advantage of my dominion, and my golem cult.

I will say that I'd understand if they simply happened to gather there, given the 'compactness' of this map, there's hardly anywhere that doesn't border someone. However, the unexplained and unmentioned presence of such a group of units all in one place certainly bodes ill for peace, to put it mildly. Especially with the lack of a NAP between our two nations. The wait for next turn will be a tense one.

Loren · #6 July 7th, 2007, 08:16 PM

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Lazy_Perfectionist said:
I'd like to also mention to Man that the presence of all those troops on my border is far from comforting. And I'll state that I do believe in defense in depth. Certainly, my position is exposed and vulnerable, but war with me would gain you less than you would think. My battles with R'lyeh have been fought where I haven't had the advantage of my dominion, and my golem cult.

Nothing to worry about--I moved them to my capital several hours ago.

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I will say that I'd understand if they simply happened to gather there, given the 'compactness' of this map, there's hardly anywhere that doesn't border someone. However, the unexplained and unmentioned presence of such a group of units all in one place certainly bodes ill for peace, to put it mildly. Especially with the lack of a NAP between our two nations. The wait for next turn will be a tense one.

They just took #81 last turn. There are only two routes from there to back home in my capital and I routed them the other route from what they took on the way in to pick up the independents I had recruited there. I didn't think of the fact that it was a border province I was routing them through.

Lazy_Perfectionist · #7 July 7th, 2007, 08:37 PM

Good to hear then, I'm comforted. For your future information, though, those troops are automatically revealed in adjacent provinces. I got a free look at your rather impressive army, no scouts necessary. If secrecy's an issue, you may want to keep that in mind. If you hope to intimidate, keep that in mind. If you figure enough scouts are in your territory that it doesn't matter, never mind.