Jaguar - finished, Szumo declared winner

[llamabeast]

Fair enough, that was an unfortunate misunderstanding. I suggest we consider it simply as an in-game misunderstanding. Shinuyama will consider Pythium as evil oath-breakers. Pythium will consider Shinuyama to be easily confused human rights abusers, who imagine pacts that never existed and would do better under Pythian rule. Don't worry about waiting, the PM exchange was as you say ambiguous and I put my certainty that we had an NAP down to Shinuyaman easily-confusedness.

I never meant to insult you in the first place (I was careful to call you Pythium). Obviously Shinuyama thinks Pythium's despicable. llamabeast feels only a general friendliness towards sum1won - many apologies if you felt I was getting at you personally. Not intended (nor would I do that kind of thing). No hard feelings on my part at all.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Hostilities with R'lyeh continue unabated. A messenger has been sent to R'lyeh with an offer of truce much less insulting than my first. I'm open to negotiations, but am prepared for the alternative of war.

I'd like to also mention to Man that the presence of all those troops on my border is far from comforting. And I'll state that I do believe in defense in depth. Certainly, my position is exposed and vulnerable, but war with me would gain you less than you would think. My battles with R'lyeh have been fought where I haven't had the advantage of my dominion, and my golem cult.

I will say that I'd understand if they simply happened to gather there, given the 'compactness' of this map, there's hardly anywhere that doesn't border someone. However, the unexplained and unmentioned presence of such a group of units all in one place certainly bodes ill for peace, to put it mildly. Especially with the lack of a NAP between our two nations. The wait for next turn will be a tense one.

[Loren]

Lazy_Perfectionist said:
I'd like to also mention to Man that the presence of all those troops on my border is far from comforting. And I'll state that I do believe in defense in depth. Certainly, my position is exposed and vulnerable, but war with me would gain you less than you would think. My battles with R'lyeh have been fought where I haven't had the advantage of my dominion, and my golem cult.

Nothing to worry about--I moved them to my capital several hours ago.

I will say that I'd understand if they simply happened to gather there, given the 'compactness' of this map, there's hardly anywhere that doesn't border someone. However, the unexplained and unmentioned presence of such a group of units all in one place certainly bodes ill for peace, to put it mildly. Especially with the lack of a NAP between our two nations. The wait for next turn will be a tense one.

They just took #81 last turn. There are only two routes from there to back home in my capital and I routed them the other route from what they took on the way in to pick up the independents I had recruited there. I didn't think of the fact that it was a border province I was routing them through.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

Good to hear then, I'm comforted. For your future information, though, those troops are automatically revealed in adjacent provinces. I got a free look at your rather impressive army, no scouts necessary. If secrecy's an issue, you may want to keep that in mind. If you hope to intimidate, keep that in mind. If you figure enough scouts are in your territory that it doesn't matter, never mind.

[Szumo]

To Agartha:
After reviewing results of recent battles, it should come not as a surprise to you that your offer of truce is refused.
Until you come up with a substantially more profitable offer, we shall continue the war that you started.

[Loren]

Lazy_Perfectionist said:
Good to hear then, I'm comforted. For your future information, though, those troops are automatically revealed in adjacent provinces. I got a free look at your rather impressive army, no scouts necessary. If secrecy's an issue, you may want to keep that in mind. If you hope to intimidate, keep that in mind. If you figure enough scouts are in your territory that it doesn't matter, never mind.

I know troops in a border province can be seen. What happened is that I didn't think about it being a border province at all.

[Lazy_Perfectionist]

I did think I got a bit to aggressive in that last push, but I was curious to see how my golems would fair without significant support. The answer seems obvious in hindsight. Regretfully so. As I said, I'm willing to negotiate.

I'm determined to make some gains in territory, but I am willing to make concessions in other areas. If you're interested in negotiating bribes-concessions, PM me. If it requires the sacrifice of territory, simply message me in-game that the war is ongoing, or something to the sort.

If you're interested in a very temporary truce while negotiations happen and/or fail, I can provide that to, and reduce the siege of your fort to a mere shaman.

I see your assassins have become more deadly. Ironically, it was only the lowly shaman that survived.

AIM Lazper12

[llamabeast]

Aargh! Abysia, I thought we just agreed an NAP? Seems I'm not having much luck with NAPs in this game. At least your trogs learnt their lesson (those who managed to scamper off).

PS sum1won - no hard feelings about our earlier exchange?