How does one fight the sea?

Loren · #1 July 23rd, 2007, 08:12 PM

You can forge items although without water magic this will be hard--look for mages you can recruit in various provinces.

Beyond that, in a few coastal provinces you'll find troops that can go into the water.

Jazzepi · #2 July 23rd, 2007, 08:29 PM

The two realms of magic that deal with breathing underwater are air and water. There's also a nature based item, manual of water breathing, that requires nature and water. So you really need access to one of those three schools to bring regular troops underwater.

That said, most undead are amphibious, so if you can summon large amounts of undead you can get underwater as well.

There's also a "ring of water breathing" and a multitude of different items that will allow individual commanders to go underwater.

Jazzepi

sum1lost · #3 July 23rd, 2007, 10:46 PM

Crush him with an absurd number of blood sacrifices to dominion kill him. If you can keep him from expanding, line your borders with temples, and blood sacrifice at them repeatedly.

This is the cheapest way to kill him.

Shovah32 · #4 July 23rd, 2007, 11:06 PM

Machaka isnt a blood nation. Are you sure you arent thinking of mictlan(and machaka is MA. MA Mictlan has no blood magic).

sum1lost · #5 July 24th, 2007, 12:48 AM

Whoops.

I misread that- thought it was mictlan.

sorry.

Edi · #6 July 24th, 2007, 12:53 AM

Hordes of undead could do it, but the problem is that most amphibian undead are of the brittle variety. Ghosts and spectral mages would probably be the best bet.

Chris_Byler · #7 July 24th, 2007, 01:09 AM

First of all, fortifying some coastal provinces (or all, if you have the time and gold) can help with the raiding problem. To strike back, though, you'll need some waterbreathing troops or items.

Indies can also help a lot - jade amazons have water, a type of site-based enchantress that comes from a couple of nature sites has random elements.

Some constructs are amphibian or poor amphibian, so one water-breathing mage (including some summonable undead mages, if they have non-Death magic skills) can lead a bunch of Crushers into the sea. However, mindless constructs have the same problem against R'lyeh as mindless undead - the one guy with the mind takes all the mindblasts.

If you can't get anything else sooner, Faerie Court can get you an air mage, which you can then use to Auspex for air gem income and eventually forge some breathing items.