Chinchilla - Running

sum1lost · #1 August 7th, 2007, 03:53 PM

I assume that we are not playing with Vegas rules in this, correct?

Ubercat · #2 August 7th, 2007, 04:28 PM

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sum1won said:
I assume that we are not playing with Vegas rules in this, correct?

Refresh my memory please. Vegas rules means "Nobodies word is any good, but let's all make NAP agreements anyhow." Do I have that right? I only read about Vegas rules once and I may have been confused as to the meaning.

I don't believe that Vegas rules were mentioned one way or the other in this thread until now.

sum1lost · #3 August 7th, 2007, 04:34 PM

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Ubercat said:

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sum1won said:
I assume that we are not playing with Vegas rules in this, correct?

Refresh my memory please. Vegas rules means "Nobodies word is any good, but let's all make NAP agreements anyhow." Do I have that right? I only read about Vegas rules once and I may have been confused as to the meaning.

I don't believe that Vegas rules were mentioned one way or the other in this thread until now.

Pretty much. I'm just not sure what we're assuming to be the default here.

Ubercat · #4 August 7th, 2007, 04:56 PM

My guess would be that Vegas is not the default, though I don't have a ton of MP experience to make the call. I do know that if a NAP isn't worth the pixels it's printed on I wouldn't waste my valuable time negotiating for nothing.

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sum1won said:

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Ubercat said:

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sum1won said:
I assume that we are not playing with Vegas rules in this, correct?

Refresh my memory please. Vegas rules means "Nobodies word is any good, but let's all make NAP agreements anyhow." Do I have that right? I only read about Vegas rules once and I may have been confused as to the meaning.

I don't believe that Vegas rules were mentioned one way or the other in this thread until now.

Pretty much. I'm just not sure what we're assuming to be the default here.

Valerius · #5 August 8th, 2007, 04:05 AM

There are no rules regarding NAPs in this game. At least for the time being llamabeast is not specifying these on games on his server.

You can agree to a NAP with no intention of honoring it and proceed to violate it. People shouldn't hold a grudge outside of the game and you certainly won't be kicked out of it. But you also can't complain if it makes players disinclined to deal with you.

Ubercat · #6 August 8th, 2007, 11:42 AM

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Valerius said:
There are no rules regarding NAPs in this game. At least for the time being llamabeast is not specifying these on games on his server.

You can agree to a NAP with no intention of honoring it and proceed to violate it. People shouldn't hold a grudge outside of the game and you certainly won't be kicked out of it. But you also can't complain if it makes players disinclined to deal with you.

I'm not sure what the difference is between "holding a grudge outside of the game" and "not trusting a player." I would certainly never trust a player in another game who was dishonest in an earlier one. Does that constitute a grudge? How about letting people in the most recent game know about the players history?

It seems that one can easily go too far in either direction. You can be a rampant liar/betrayer and then what's the point of diplomacy? or you can be Mr. NeverAttacksAnyone because you don't want to hurt anyones feelings. I guess it's a side affect of having persistent player personalities in repeatedly new wars. Probably covered by game theory.

Warhammer · #7 August 8th, 2007, 12:17 PM

My take on NAPs in general is that you are free to make or break them at will. However, if you make an NAP and then leave a border completely undefended, if the guy breaks the NAP you only invited it upon yourself. On the other hand, you can go public with things and try to sway the other people about what is going on and get them on your side.