USMC Self Propelled Artillery

[thatguy96]

As to the question at hand, someone who frequents this Yahoo group might have the answers, or have a good idea where they can be had:

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/TOandEs/

[KraMax]

thatguy96
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In game ammo carrier are separate units. For example, at Russian also is together with artillery and MRLS systems same ammo carrier, but nobody gives these artillery systems in 10 times more quantity of shells, than they carry with themselves.

Sorry for my bad English.

[thatguy96]

Yes, but as Marcello's testing point out, none of those other vehicles have such impossible restrictions in game terms. There is no artillery system I'm aware of in either US OOBs or the Russian OOB that is restricted to two shots and requires them to have a permanently attached ammo carrier.

[PlasmaKrab]

Marcello and everyone, keep in mind that such units have to be designed for AI use as well. And the sure thing is that IA players can't handle ammo carriers properly.
From what I know, separate ammo carriers will tend to be rushed to the front just like regular armor, as will separate trucks. Maybe this has been corrected to some extent in the latest versions. And in real life, most self-propelled arty units are supposed to run along with ammo carriers, which carry most of the rounds, just as with towed howitzers.
Just look at the amount of shots available to any foot-going arty unit (from light mortars to heavy howitzers) compared to whatever the real unit could lumber around, and it should be pretty clear that this is all a gaming convention.

[Marcello]

"And the sure thing is that IA players can't handle ammo carriers properly."

Yep, I forgot that the AI used its ammo carriers as VBIED.

[KraMax]

I thought that real data participate in game. Or I am not right? In Russian OOB there is an artillery with 4 shells and 8 shells. In a life with these systems as well as with others is ammo carrier. Then it is necessary for these systems to give 40 shells and 80 shells?

[thatguy96]

In a quick search, I found the one instance where a tube artillery piece has 8 shells (Unit 812), I still can't find a tube artillery piece that has 4 shells, but I believe you when you say its in there. Maybe the basic load for the M107/M110 should be reduced to 10, and this would make all parties happy. 2 just seems ridiculous.

If you're going to take rocket artillery into account, then you should note that there are established conventions about rocket artillery in the MOBHack manual, and that even those in the US OOBs have 6 and 12 rockets.