Counters to Niefelheim

[Xietor]

I really only play the MA. In the Big Game i have had to run several test games to scout out the various races I have encountered-and test ways to stop them.

It is my humble opinion that no race I have EVER seen compares to EA Lanka. my gawd, what a juggernaut.

[RonD]

Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...

[HoneyBadger]

I was actually thinking that zweihanders would be fine weapons for Niefelheim. No finer than, say, a properly designed mace, though, since opponents would sortof slide right off a smooth mace-head, so that you could attack several at once.

The real ability that Niefelheim should have-and lacks-is a natural area 1 effect attack. This is just from a physical standpoint, since they weild (or have the potential to weild) weapons large enough, and designed, to hit more than one opponent at a time.

[Baalz]

HoneyBadger said:
I was actually thinking that zweihanders would be fine weapons for Niefelheim. No finer than, say, a properly designed mace, though, since opponents would sortof slide right off a smooth mace-head, so that you could attack several at once.

The real ability that Niefelheim should have-and lacks-is a natural area 1 effect attack. This is just from a physical standpoint, since they weild (or have the potential to weild) weapons large enough, and designed, to hit more than one opponent at a time.

Well, you presuppose that the giants' warfare was evolved to fight man sized opponents. Seems more likely to me that outside of ascension wars the Jarls generally fight each other for power and the axe/Jotun sword is a natural weapon to fight other well armored giants.

You're probably the first one I've heard complain that Neiflheim needs a buff. AOE would mean defense is useless, so if you coupled that with their strength it'd give them offensive power to match their natural defense strength - a very overpowered result. I always thought the boulder throwers should have AOE1 though...

[KissBlade]

Agreeing with baalz's point about Niefel's weapons should be designed more in line of fighting other giant size people. I can't see why the heck Giants would design weapons to clobber tiny humans when stepping on them or kicking them would do much the same. Also Vanheim in EA has NEVER inspired much fear in me.

[Saint_Dude]

Neifelheim is extremely powerful in the early game, slightly above average in the middle game, and fairly weak in the late game. They are ultimately done in by low troop numbers and pathetic PD.

The Niefel giants which cause so much havoc in the early game are an expensive non-factor in the late game. The Jarls may be a good deal at 500 gold, but stocking up on them dramatically cuts down on the number of mages recruited for research or battle magic.

[Meglobob]

Jarls at 500gp are a good thug chasis but if you had the equivilant number of S3 mages equipped with eye of the void + spell focus + rune smasher all guarded by undead chaff (100% cold resistance), scripting soul slayx5, retreat.

Who would win?

[Baalz]

Xietor said:
It is my humble opinion that no race I have EVER seen compares to EA Lanka. my gawd, what a juggernaut.

I dunno, I think there are *several* tier 1 EA races. Helhiem, Vanhiem, Neiflheim, and Lanka all tend to inspire "OMG, what the heck do I do now?" when you start next to them. Even the arguably second tier EA races (Mictlan, Sauromatia, etc) can certainly inspire terror in reasonably skilled hands.

Of course everyone's opinion will differ on who fits into what category, but given lots of strong choices I think it can't really be argued that anybody is head and shoulders above the rest of the crowd.

[Xietor]

My poor MA Ctis lizards started out next to both EA Lanka and EA Sauromatria in the Big Game. Talk about lucky starting positions! Can anyone say Blood!

Despite sending out my scouts far and wide, there was no sign of MA Ulm(: