Size units - a question

[narwan]

KraMax said:
Ok.
I have taken advantage of search and have found some discussion of errors in Belgian OOB.
Here that writes DRG:

"Another fun fact, your belgian 6 man para unit are not alone in being size zero, There are 117 other infantry units in the OOB's with more than 5 men and size zero (an issue, as I said, that is under review)"

Also I have found many units in game in the different countries with 0 size and names distinct from scouts, inf-at, inf-sam etc. But even if you also are right, let's look on American OOB - for an example unit 743, 744, 749 - scouts with anti-tank arms and the size 0. I am assured that experience of these scouts not much better than if they were called paratroops and them would be as much - 5 persons.

In what a difference between scouts and for example infantry? In experience, quantity of arms, quantity of soldiers etc. But we all it do experience and morals - we change modifiers, arms also we change by means of Mobhack etc. But than 5 persons differ from 5 men? Anything! Especially if to consider that we compare 5 scouts and 5 paratroops.

You have to make a distinction somewhere. It's a necessary abstraction. Infantry units (including para's inf) are there to fight. Scout units (including para scouts) are there to gather info. The size difference is partly to model this functional difference. However, in order to do their job properly, scout teams can't be too large. Every man added does not just makes the group bigger, it greatly increases the needed for inter-group communications which in turn reduces it's scouting efficiency. Throughout the OB's the basic norm for scout teams is 3 or 4 men.

But there are indeed exceptions, as I already said. They can be there for different reasons; the simplest is that they haven't been changed yet.

If you want to compare you should look at the US marines OB. You'll see 6 men recon teams (patrols) that are size 1. You'll also see 4 men fire teams that have heavy equipment that are size 1 and 4 men fire teams that are size 1 without heavy equipment. You'll see 4 men scout teams with similar equipment at size 0. You'll even see SEAL teams with 6 men at size 1!

Narwan

[KraMax]

narwan
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In that continually. I in have seen all OOB. Also has not found any law of assignment of the size 1 or 0. Everywhere the sizes are placed to a miscellaneous. How we will admit to me to define - whether should paratroops 5 men be the size 1 or 0???

[narwan]

A paratroop infantry squad of 5 men should be size 1.

You're right that there is no general law. That's because it's very hard to come up with one. What would happen than is that people would argue over it endlessly. And find examples of it being 'unrealistic'. So there's just a general guideline and in the end the decision of the designers for official stats.

[KraMax]

It seems to me, that would be excellent, if developers here have expressed and have once and for all put an end in these discussions. It is necessary to clear a situation - how to put the size of a unit and why in one case it is put 0, and in other 1.