Most powerful nation

sum1lost · #1 September 18th, 2007, 08:05 PM

Blood doesn't require a castle, lab, or temple. Just a blood hunter and a pair of scouts, preferably in a low income province. At most one would need a castle and lab. A temple is entirely unnecessary.

Xietor · #2 September 18th, 2007, 08:28 PM

K,

One point I have to disagree on is demons. Demons are one of the reasons I had the trouble with you that I did. Immune to disease. That offsets banish.

Banish does not work well with Lanka's sacreds that have 30 hps and regeneration(even with h3 priests). The only way i managed to kill those capital only sacreds is with banelords that had 70 gems worth of items. And as you pointed out in another thread, they were easy to banish to the inferno or kill outright with life for a life.

One advantage of Lanka is it does not need thugs. It own troops are thugs and its national summons are sc's.

K · #3 September 18th, 2007, 11:39 PM

Removed.

Xietor · #4 September 19th, 2007, 12:44 AM

K, I hate to break it to you, demons ARE immune to disease.

Poison immunity does not provide protection from Miasma. I hate to educate my future foes in the Big Game, but I feel obliged to share knowledge.

Swamp Protection and being cold blood protect from miasma. Additionally demons and undead are both immune to disease.

That is a fact.

EDI, where r u to confirm this fact?

Jazzepi · #5 September 19th, 2007, 12:48 AM

Xietor, I had a thread about miasma earlier. Undead units can be diseased by it, but apparently it doesn't decrease their hitpoints or give them additional afflictions.

Jazzepi

Xietor · #6 September 19th, 2007, 12:55 AM

well, that is a technicality. Ok they get the symbol, but they suffer no ill effect from it.

If you do not suffer the ill effects of disease, then for practical purposes you are immune to it.

It is these type of things that unnecessarily cause confusion among even the experienced player base. All you need to know if you are playing or fighting against MA Ctis is that undead and demons are not affected by disease.

Xietor · #7 September 19th, 2007, 01:10 AM

Basically the only Age I play is the MA, so my knowledge of those races is pretty sound. I know some of the offshoots that are now ea and la from dom II.

Aside from that, my knowledge of the EA and LA races is pretty sparse. So I will defer to those that play those eras concerning issues of balance.

Sombre · #8 September 19th, 2007, 01:49 AM

I guess I could say,

Only an idiot would think demons aren't immune to disease.

Only a fool would claim that without a recruitable H3 priest you can't bless armies.

Only an idiot would claim mass lvl1 priests are an effective counter to tough, sacred demons (who probably have nature bless).

... but since being a complete dick on this forum holds no appeal, I won't.

K · #9 September 19th, 2007, 01:52 AM

Removed.

Jazzepi · #10 September 19th, 2007, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Xietor said:
well, that is a technicality. Ok they get the symbol, but they suffer no ill effect from it.

If you do not suffer the ill effects of disease, then for practical purposes you are immune to it.

It is these type of things that unnecessarily cause confusion among even the experienced player base. All you need to know if you are playing or fighting against MA Ctis is that undead and demons are not affected by disease.

I think it's an important distinction, which is why I made it. If a new player saw their undead units getting diseased, and didn't understand that they don't suffer from it the same way that regular units do, they might very well be confused and assume that the undead units really aren't immune despite what they've been told. Lord knows there's enough bad information on the forums already to make casting doubt easy.

Summary : Being concise is important, it isn't just a technicality.

Jazzepi