How do you fight the Niefel giants?

Huzurdaddi · #1 October 10th, 2007, 05:19 PM

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Kuritza said:
'Any numbers' is the keyword here. If they arent killed in the first two rounds of combat, they arent killed at all. Its unsettling.

IIRC, Ulm dual weilding troops easily win against Niefel Giants with equal Gold cost. Although they will cost more resources.

Basicailly you need cold resistant high damage troops. Sadly those are not in abundance.

Finally, WRT Fomorian giants, Giants without cold auras are not nearly as frightening. You can probably kill them with simple barbarians (which can also work, simetimes, with Niefels). The cloud trapeze is a very nice though. Air > Water.

One more time though: skelly spam > Giants.

sum1lost · #2 October 10th, 2007, 05:43 PM

however, formorians can swim and throw javelins, making them rather dangerous. Especially when you cast spells like mistform or soulvortex or both.

Kuritza · #3 October 10th, 2007, 08:35 PM

>> One more time though: skelly spam > Giants.

Tried that. Skelly spam costs too much fatique for a regular D3 or D4 mage; even with reinvigoration of about 6-7, 5 mages spamming skellies couldnt hold 5 niefel giants.

Huzurdaddi · #4 October 10th, 2007, 11:25 PM

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Kuritza said:
>> One more time though: skelly spam > Giants.

Tried that. Skelly spam costs too much fatique for a regular D3 or D4 mage; even with reinvigoration of about 6-7, 5 mages spamming skellies couldnt hold 5 niefel giants.

What?!!? What temperature was the province?

Valandil · #5 October 11th, 2007, 12:55 AM

Well, N9E9 niefelheim is pretty hard. Nonetheless, unless your mages were in full plate armor, they should have taken zero aggregate fatigue damage with a reinvig of 7 and death 4. Zero.

BTW, neifel giants can be slaughtered by sauromatia using poison archers, hydras (though not cost-effectively at all).

Lingchih · #6 October 11th, 2007, 02:58 AM

Or just Charm them. I've totally lost track of which nation this was originally posted for, but Pangaea can just send a bunch of Pans, and charm the whole freaking army, Jarls too.

I lost so many Jarls to Carlosib in Ludus by this method, that he ended up having more Niefel Jarls than I did. And I paid for and equipped them all.

Agema · #7 October 11th, 2007, 12:40 PM

Instead of spamming skeletons, could you spam ethereal troops?

Giants are few in number and thus have few attacks - I think it's 75% chance of avoiding a hit for ethereal troops. A giant will kill a basic unit almost as easily as a 1HP phantasm, but they'd have a boatload of misses. Could this be better to hold them than skeletons?

Epaminondas · #8 October 26th, 2008, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Huzurdaddi

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Kuritza said:
'Any numbers' is the keyword here. If they arent killed in the first two rounds of combat, they arent killed at all. Its unsettling.

IIRC, Ulm dual weilding troops easily win against Niefel Giants with equal Gold cost. Although they will cost more resources.

Basicailly you need cold resistant high damage troops. Sadly those are not in abundance.

Finally, WRT Fomorian giants, Giants without cold auras are not nearly as frightening. You can probably kill them with simple barbarians (which can also work, simetimes, with Niefels). The cloud trapeze is a very nice though. Air > Water.

One more time though: skelly spam > Giants.

I agree. Fomorian giants are not in the same galaxy in terms of battle effectiveness as their Niefelheim counterparts. The cold aura changes the equation dramatically.