Some things

capnq · #1 March 10th, 2002, 07:55 PM

I still play the original Civilization on my other computer while this one is doing long downloads or disk defrags. I still had the original Master of Orion installed on this one until just a few months ago.

I also have The Lost Treasures of Infocom collection, from back in the text adventure days when the only graphics were printed on the box, manual, and props.

Skulky · #2 March 11th, 2002, 03:01 AM

talk about playing older games... Try Colonization, The original game that started the Civ series. It is great economy management and has some military aspects but the main part is infrastructure, perfect practice for SE4 (as everyone knows it is at least 50% econ managment).

GTA1 + 2 not great graphics especially the first but funny gameplay.

Janes Fleet Command (forced me to by a Voodoo3) is the modern fleet combat simulator that took me away from Harpoon.

And Starcraft of course. I still play on B-net sometimes, only when PBW is down/im done submitting turns, it is so solid, less complicated than AOE II but super balanced.

Rlaney · #3 March 11th, 2002, 03:14 AM

Not to nitpick but Colonization did NOT start the civ series. Colonization and another one... can't remember what it was both came out from Microprose after the success of Civilization. Civ is great. I've played all but none ever made me feel like Civ1 did. Bought it at 5:00pm after I got off work, took it home, installed it, played for just a few turns(really..I swear) then looked at the clock and it was 3:30 am and I had to be back at work in 2 hours. What a bad day at work but IT WAS WORTH IT!!!

EvilKnight · #4 March 11th, 2002, 06:30 AM

I know ive hjave played them all guys but your missing what im saying. This is number 4 not 1 and the graphics still resemble the others. to be truthful im a gamer(gamer rehab it anit working) and i live in places like Babages and ive never seen this game or its pretessors. Its the look and the fact that they dont have a major distributor. even then ive seen some small time guys get in there with out a major one and hastings too. Im knocking the game ok. its the look guys look at MOO2.

EvilKnight · #5 March 11th, 2002, 06:41 AM

I forgot guys guys starcraft has way better graphics than this it has pretty good graphics.
gta 1 and 2 are pretty good graphical games

EvilKnight · #6 March 11th, 2002, 07:00 AM

ok soory forgot something else graphics guys some of the games you buy right when you look at them in the store or Online whats the thing that intreges you about the game and makes you want to buy it. Its the Screen shots on the back right. so graphics are more and if you say that graphics arent anything then you should come play my comedore 64 some time. and some of the text based games that i play ( no visual). so by telling me that they arent anything then you are telling me that you migh be blind or you would rather be playing a text based game. and in poll opinions it is one of the top points man i know i beta test alot. although i do agree that they are highly over rated. xcom was a good game almost all of them were but they came out with another called Enforcer, its an unreal type of game. Lords of the Realm has really good graphics for its age, lords of the realm one had weak graphics.
ok i got one that has good graphics and poor play reach for the stars i disliked it i still play but weak game play, P.A.X imperia decent game play good graphics kinda like that one. Man of war too hard to control game play is lacking. graphics are good.Axis and allies good all around. the out force i hate this game get the demo or buy it you'll find out why ( no game depht. BAttlecruiser 3000, its not that great kinda has hard learning curve. bnattles in time i hate this game. an massive multiplayer game mankind really god graphics good game play bad learning curve. that is not even a third of the games i own.

Gryphin · #7 March 12th, 2002, 02:37 AM

EvilKnight,
I don't think we missed your point. I also don't think Space Empire players fit the "norm" as seen in a survey about what computer game players want. There is a thread, "How Old are You" that showes most of the people who posted to that thread started as people who played board games and miniatures. Graphics is not a high point in "cardbord" games. Qualty of play is very high. There are a couple of threads about what people would like to see in Space Empires. I don't recall seeing graphics mentioned.

Another aspect of graphics in this game. People like / want to create their own graphics.
Indeed, The graphics for Squad leader were byproducts of the graphics created by people who "modded" PanzerBlitz and Panzer Leader. Those are cardboard games by Avalon Hill.

I discovered SEIII when a friend mentioned it. I would not be surprised if word of mouth or an Online review is how most if not all people find out aobut Space Empires. I expect that the demo is what sells the game at that point. There is a another thread I belive started by Richard within the Last two weeks that among other things explains why this game is not available retail. In short, retail has been the death of many a good game company and their games.

As for the graphics in older computer games, please see my post about Empire Deluxe.

Overall, I do see your point. I do follow your arguments. They are well put within the context you mention. Even as you qualify your points , you define by not describing what I have seen in most of the people who play Space Empires.

I don't know if this helps.
Anybody think I'm off base here? I've an open mind and would like feedback. Also, Does anyone have the links to the threads I mentioned?
Thanks