Why Kailasa, Bandar Log, and Patala NEVER WIN

[Evilhomer]

If you have astral you can mind hunt the raiding forces. Also pd is not all, several nations has as bad pd (like the giants) and still manage to score wins in larger mp games.

I would rate the ape nations as average or slightly below average in total. Several nations has alot worse deal (Early age: marvereni, Middle age: ulm, late age: Abysia just to mention a few).

[Lord_Bob]

And yet they never win. In any age.