Why Kailasa, Bandar Log, and Patala NEVER WIN

[Lord_Bob]

I took over another players game, and only had the power to hold onto the capital. It is now 15 turns later, and I have killed over 3500 gold in various nations that have attempted to eliminate me. This is MP. Ha. Ha.

[Agema]

Let a thug wipe out your PD. I'm willing to bet whilst the little monkeys count for one towards the rout chance like a Bandar, they'll also count for one when you slap vengeance of the dead on the thug massacring the little fellas.

[lch]

Lord_Bob said:
I have killed over 3500 gold in various nations that have attempted to eliminate me.

Aren't you sure it was OVER 9000!!!!!?

[Lord_Bob]

I have killed over 250 men, including 18 lava men, also have killed 90 longdead(I know it's not important), a prophet, 2 mages from abysia, and something like 6 mages from EA Ermor. Not sure what the mages cost. MA MAN's capital has become a Roach Motel. Serious Combat Magic is being to come out though. So I think my fun is nearly over.

[Evilhomer]

I do not wish to get personal in any way here, but it seems you just joined a few month ago and you aren't listed as the winner of any mp games. How much testing have you done with the monkey nations really ? I don't mean single player game here, but mp games.

Really when you evaluate a nation you cannot just pick 1 thing about them and say that the nation is bad, you really want to look at several aspects first.

[Lord_Bob]

Oh before this I was upset that a 90 Gold Astral-1 mage could magic duel to death a 450 gold capital only Nagarashi.

But quite frankly this is much, much, worse.

[Lord_Bob]

No doubt that will make it even easier for MA Bandar Log to beat MA Man.

I would like to point out that my choices are not cheap in any way. I did not pick Patala, and I did not pick MA Van. I am also not going to use a bless, at all.

Those are very reasonable terms.

[NTJedi]

Lord_Bob said:
I have killed over 250 men, including 18 lava men, also have killed 90 longdead(I know it's not important), a prophet, 2 mages from abysia, and something like 6 mages from EA Ermor. Not sure what the mages cost. MA MAN's capital has become a Roach Motel. Serious Combat Magic is being to come out though. So I think my fun is nearly over.

Telestic Animations should help your dominion, hopefully you have an astral mage to cast antimagic... twist of fate might also extend your life for the province.
Before they storm the castle have someone in the back with lots of life holding a staff of storms... this will stop most flyers and you can hold them back at the gate longer.

Don't fight for death and glory... fight for ROHAN and let the horn of Mans Helm be heard one last time !

[Baalz]

Whooo, seems like some strong opinions here. Not to beat a dead horse, but PD strength is a characteristic of a nation which you plan around. Some nations have crappy PD, I doubt anyone would argue that the monkeys are one of them, this is hardly a insurmountable disadvantage. Some nations have their only good troops cap only, some have old mages, some have dominions with potentially negative effect (disease, insanity, death), some have high resource requirements, some have cold blooded/undead/demonic/aquatic only/no archer/low magic versatility/low MR weaknesses...these are all things you plan around. Several people have offered ways to compensate for weak PD, there are also others if you're clever. Suffice it to say small raiding parties are hardly an unbeatable strategy to use against Bandar Log and I don't consider them weak at all.

[Lord_Bob]

Please name the nation with a weaker PD.

That is my one and only request of you.

Name the nation with a weaker PD.


I am willing to run a simulation of that nations PD against 17 Armoured Indie Archers and a Commander at 15 PD. I will then run Ape PD against 17 Indie Armoured Archers and a Commander at 25 PD. Guess which one will win? Guess which one might win if it is very, very lucky?