Very serious combat bug?

[Ballbarian]

How does "unlikely" suddenly equate to "impossible"?
Get over the loss of your king and find some Markata (monkeys) to take out that overpowered flagellant.

[Forrest]

In a Axis & allies game one night I could not miss with 1 in 6 chance antiaircraft rolls. I lost because it was the only die roll I could make that night.

In a D&D game a friend called his 20's on my dice for 2 hours. His stupid little fighter was a god in battle that night. We spent the night joking about taking him to Las Vegas.

There are times when random just does not work.

[Beorne]

Ballbarian said:
How does "unlikely" suddenly equate to "impossible"?
Get over the loss of your king and find some Markata (monkeys) to take out that overpowered flagellant.

I will wonder you, but the Manchaka King of flame owner is my only remaining enemy (I'm Ryle'h, we are at war) and I will take full advantage of his SC loss. I don't like to take big advantage from bugs.

PS: where is the cake icon to plead for bug corrections?

[vfb]

Do you still think it's huge positive damage from a DRN roll?

Each flagellant did negative 71 "dmg". You just need average DRN rolls to get this. It's not a bug in the RNG, it looks like a calculation bug.

The negative 71 "dmg" turns into:

Strength 7 Flagellant: 36 damage
Strength 11 Flagellant: 32 damage

[Beorne]

vfb said:
Do you still think it's huge positive damage from a DRN roll?

Each flagellant did negative 71 "dmg". You just need average DRN rolls to get this. It's not a bug in the RNG, it looks like a calculation bug.

The negative 71 "dmg" turns into:

Strength 7 Flagellant: 36 damage
Strength 11 Flagellant: 32 damage

The Manchaka player asked me to answer this:

Thank you vfb,
in my opinion your theory fits perfectly.
Probably the bug is about managing high negative damage scores.
Hope the dev will take care of this.
I've wasted an axperienced King of Elemental fire(together with his unquenched sword, barrier, and aseftik's armor) to a flagellant, and it's not funny.
I know that sometimes it's only matter of bad luck, but in the same game I've lost another King of elemental fire with al least 23 MR (together with his equipment, magebane and aegis) to a mind hunt by a simple starspawn without any penetration bonus.
Don't you think it's enough?
Enne,
The machaka player

[Endoperez]

vfb said:
Do you still think it's huge positive damage from a DRN roll?

Each flagellant did negative 71 "dmg". You just need average DRN rolls to get this. It's not a bug in the RNG, it looks like a calculation bug.

The negative 71 "dmg" turns into:

Strength 7 Flagellant: 36 damage
Strength 11 Flagellant: 32 damage

I finally understood what you meant by the "negative 71 dmg". You got that wrong. The flagellants didn't deal negative damage, but had negative modifier to their damage (the flail's damage ration minus the King's prot value)

The lines similar to:
hitunit 221 16083 dmg-34 spec96 ba2
happen before the flagellant's attack roll. It means that IF the flagellant hits THIS body part, the damage dealt by his str+random is lowered by 34. It is done for both parts of the body every time an attack hits. The damage that is actually dealt is stated on this line:
damage 36 on King of Flames, spec0x60 ba2

The first flagellant dealt 36, the second 32 points of damage through the armor. Neither dealt negative damage.

The hits would have had to deal total of about 70 points of damage, or about 60 without strength counted in. That's about 14 re-rolls on the dice, even if the protection roll gave straigth ones.

However, this also means that to overflow from the negative side, the defender's roll would have had to be much higher than the attacker's. The overflow point can't be -32, because SCs would hit that all the time - the King's base protection was better than that. The next lowest exponent of 2 would be 2^6 or 64, and going under -64 would take the defender a roll of 32. This would take about 6 rerolls in optimal case, less than 0.1% chance - so even if the bug was in negative roll-over, it would be VERY rare, but much less so that the chance of a unit dealing damage through extreme protection.

However, as I said before, I think overflow bug is VERY unlikely, given that the positive damage can go up to 1000 or so at least. Besides, if a human-form Dragon gets hit in dominion 10 under Gift of Health, he gets (dragon's hp - human's hp) amount of "negative damage". All shapechanges work that way. That's why you can see -50 damage coming from an elemental that went from size 6 to size 5, or from a Hunter Spider whose rider died.

[Kristoffer O]

Also, don't forget thet fatigue increases at triple levels when your pretender has a name that starts with an F, B, M or Q. This might lead the Fire King to have enough fatigue to have his protection value halved. There is also a chance that The armor is negated if the sum of the attack skills during one turn is less than the sum of the alphabetical positions of the units name. Hence it is all pretty obvious it was not just bad luck, but an expected outcome of the battle.

[llamabeast]

Good point KO.

[Edratman]

Kristoffer O said:
Also, don't forget thet fatigue increases at triple levels when your pretender has a name that starts with an F, B, M or Q. This might lead the Fire King to have enough fatigue to have his protection value halved. There is also a chance that The armor is negated if the sum of the attack skills during one turn is less than the sum of the alphabetical positions of the units name. Hence it is all pretty obvious it was not just bad luck, but an expected outcome of the battle.

I have never previously encountered a reference to an alphabetical relationship to any skill or game factor. (Maybe I have't read the manual closely enough.) Please explain.
Also, does the alphabetical relationship apply to the unit name i.e "Fire King" or the units individual name? And if it is the individual name, if I change the units name will that work?

You reference letters with negative connotations, are thee letters with positive influences?

Or are you just pulling my leg?

[Edi]

Edratman said:

I have never previously encountered a reference to an alphabetical relationship to any skill or game factor. (Maybe I have't read the manual closely enough.) Please explain.
Also, does the alphabetical relationship apply to the unit name i.e "Fire King" or the units individual name? And if it is the individual name, if I change the units name will that work?

You reference letters with negative connotations, are thee letters with positive influences?

Or are you just pulling my leg?

The latter. Wherever it is that you got your sarcasm detector, go there and get a refund. The thing is obviously broken.