Super Restricted Pretender Mod

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Pretenders who aren't 'default' but appear a LOT:

Monolith
Moloch

More to come?

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Here's the list of all pretenders which all the land nations have access to:

Wrym
Titan
Cyclops
Phoenix
Red Dragon
Green Dragon
Freak Lord
Arch Mage
Crone
Great Sage
Master Druid
Great Enchantress

(Blue Dragon and Frost Father are missing from several 'hot' nations; Manticore is missing from Agartha)

Edit: Whoops, forgot to mention ... I think your idea is pretty cool! Especially the bit about restricting the pretenders to the thematic ones.

[Burnsaber]

I'm not really familiar with German folklore, nor Asian/Japanese pantheons, so I'm not spealing for Ulms, Tien C'his nor Yomis

I think that Wyrm should be restricted for Skandinavian nations (Helheim, Vanheim, Midgårds) of all ages and UW nations (they have few enough pretenders already), basing on the myth of Jormungård.
(besides, most of the skandi-nations are actually bless nations who'll probably use some other pretender )

Cyclops - probably Arco all ages?

Titan - This pretty all around. Almost all pantheons have a thunder god. Thor is in skandinavia, This guy just spells Zeus for Arcospehale, ..etc. Perhaps just disallow it form Agartha, Abyssia and other nations that really won't revere a thunder god?

Phoenix - Has anyone any clue from where the orginal Phoenix myth is from? It should be themtatical for all fire nations anyways.

Prince of Death could probably use more restricting for balance reasons, althought all Pantheons have a God of Death in some form. It's just so freakishly undercosted.

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Balance is a consideration of this mod, but is not the purpose, because pretenders in basegame are completely unbalanced anyway, with 20% of them being useful and the rest pretty much dross.

I'm aiming to restrict nations quite a bit more than they are currently (hence 'super' restricted), so I'm probably going to nix most of the defaults and redistribute them only to select nations. That includes the rainbow mages, partly because they are quite similar, partly because many nations get their own version with dom1 and pathcost10. Getting people to actually use varied national pretenders is a problem for balance mods and this isn't one. I really like what CBM has done, so when I redistribute stuff I will be keeping CBM in mind and assuming that all gods are roughly balanced against each other.

Wyrm - Probably all UW nations. Scandinavian cultures also sounds reasonable, as well as Ctis, MA/LA Pythium, Sauromatia, MA Mict (he is a serpent after all).

Cyclops - I thought Arco all ages for Cyclops too, but are there any other nations that should get him thematically?

Manticore - The scorpion part has me thinking Abysia and Machaka.

Fountain of Blood - Only blood access nations and probably not nations with very little blood.

Monolith - MA Mict (EA and LA have the big stone head instead), Marverni, EA Ulm, MA Man,.. who else?

Phoenix - Phoenix is in both western and eastern myths. It can be fairly widespread.

Vampire Queen - Basically if you take her as a generic vampire, she can fit in several nations, though with a preference for blood/death themed ones. EA/LA Mict, LA Ulm, MA/LA Ermor,...

[Burnsaber]

Cyclops seems to only be in greek mythology, but I think it could be thematical in Earth-heavy nations (Agartha?)

About Prince of Death, how about restricting him to death-heavy nations? C'tis of all ages, Ermor of all ages, Helheim.

According to wikipedia (I know, there are better sources, but wikipedia is fastets and most likely accurate enough for this cause, it's not like we are being scientific or anything.) Manticore is from Persia according to wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manticore. So Abyssia would most likely be a good choice. Caelum might also be a candidate because of the Zoroastrianism (manticore also flies!). Manticore is not that powerful, so it also might be given to blood heavy nations (crossbreeds, you know), if ti spread more widely, perhaps it will see some use when it doesn't have to compete with Wyrm all the time.

About Titan. I was thinking it could be thematical for all of the following:
Skandinavia, Vanheim all ages, Giants of all ages, Helheim (Titan is a obvious Thor wannabe)
Arcosephale of all ages (umm.. Zeus, anyone?)
EA Ermor (Jupiter from Rome)
EA and MA Ulm (Germans also had Thor)
Tir' n' Og, Eriu and Man of all ages (thunder god fits their style)
Caelum of all ages (fits their style and it allows them to dip for earth magic)

I assume that you will restrict the rainbows according to paths? That only frost/water mage nations will get Forst Father and so on?

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Paths are basically the only thing I have to go on with the rainbows, but I will also consider if the nation has a national pretender 'rainbow', ie a pathcost10 dom1 sort of god. There also might be some flavour reasoning in there, for example the human centric nations might get more of them.

I think restricting PoD to only death heavy nations makes sense, not so much because he's very powerful, but because he's absolutely about death and nothing else. Nations with minor death or cultures that happen to have death gods aren't going to qualify, I think. So MA/LA Ermor, EA/LA Ctis, LA Agartha, Helheim,.. yeah.

The Master Liche, being an archmage in his former life, could go with human nations with solid magic and some interest in death, while the 'jock' version is another death heavy guy. Obviously LA Ermor will get both liches and the PoD, though not the VQ, because vampires want to rule over living cattle not a blasted wasteland of undead. MA Ermor gets PoD, one liche and VQ. So there will be some little changes from age to age that will fit nicely with dom3.

I might also add a national pretender or two to some nations that without the defaults simply have too few. LA Jomon for instance could arguably get Divine Emperor as a choice.

Manticore seems a bit monstrous for Caelum (who are rather angelic) and they get a load of flying pretenders as it is, but it's possible.

[Aezeal]

I'd give the cyclops primarily to Agartha "a race of one-eyed humanoids" .. don't you think?

There are enough dragons to restrict them a bit while all nations still get access to at least one.

Green dragon for any nation with a bit of poison or nature based
Blue for water/cold nations
Red for heat/death nations

Manticore restricted to Pangaea, and blood nations.

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Burnsaber said:
I'm not really familiar with German folklore, nor Asian/Japanese pantheons, so I'm not spealing for Ulms, Tien C'his nor Yomis

I think that Wyrm should be restricted for Skandinavian nations (Helheim, Vanheim, Midgårds) of all ages and UW nations (they have few enough pretenders already), basing on the myth of Jormungård.
(besides, most of the skandi-nations are actually bless nations who'll probably use some other pretender )

Cyclops - probably Arco all ages?

Titan - This pretty all around. Almost all pantheons have a thunder god. Thor is in skandinavia, This guy just spells Zeus for Arcospehale, ..etc. Perhaps just disallow it form Agartha, Abyssia and other nations that really won't revere a thunder god?

Phoenix - Has anyone any clue from where the orginal Phoenix myth is from? It should be themtatical for all fire nations anyways.

Prince of Death could probably use more restricting for balance reasons, althought all Pantheons have a God of Death in some form. It's just so freakishly undercosted.

Did someone say Jormungård?