Question - Fire Control and Range Finders

[Suhiir]

Thank you Andy.

Does this however open up a big nasty can of worms ?

If s ranging 50 on a tank now has a value of 15, and the spotter rifle in a WOMBAT/MOBAT is 8 shouldn't the crew served weapons (tripod mounted weapons with T&E's) have a higher value then 1 ?

[Mobhack]

Suhiir said:
Thank you Andy.

Does this however open up a big nasty can of worms ?

If s ranging 50 on a tank now has a value of 15, and the spotter rifle in a WOMBAT/MOBAT is 8 shouldn't the crew served weapons (tripod mounted weapons with T&E's) have a higher value then 1 ?

The ranging MG on a tank is an MG, it fires 3 round bursts from a belt of several hundred rounds. A spotting rifle on an RCL is a semi auto weapon firing from a box of 12 or so rounds, so 8 or maybe 10 would be worthwhile, maybe.

Unlikely to make much game difference, even if we left everything alone. RCL life expectancy tends towards zero, whether towed or jeep-mounted.

And, what exactly are "T&E's" ???

Cheers
Andy

[thatguy96]

"Traversing and Elevation"

Its the piece of equipment that allows an MG in the sustained fire role to be more accurately stabilized and aimed at longer ranges.

See in this picture of the M60 on the M122 tripod

[Suhiir]

It's a device that attaches to a machinegun (AGL or whatever) tripod that allows the weapon to be aimed very precisely at any target in range.

http://www.keepshooting.com/firearma...ism-tripod.htm

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/mg/M60.html

A trained machinegun crew can use it to hit a helmet size object at 500m. It, along with the rate of fire, is what makes a machinegun the much feared and first targeted weapon that it is on the battlefield.

[Mobhack]

SFMG in the game already have 1 FC and 1 RF (and also cause splash effects in the adjacent hex) - e.g. Unit 180 in the UK OOB.

Cheers
Andy

[Suhiir]

Also looking at the OOB's MMG's tend to have a base accuracy of 21 so while RF might "better" represent their increased accuracy firing while stationary the base accuracy and ability to splash into adjacent hexes probably covers things fairly well.

Plasma
Thanks for the info on your tests.
Given the nature of recoiless rifles I'd be inclined to give them even less in the way of FC. Hitting moving targets in particular isn't something they're going to really proficient at. As I understand it RF will help them hit any target, moving or not, if the firing weapon is stationary.

[pdoktar]

Hmm.. not sure about "bad" hitting of moving targets. Given that RR´s were designed to engage armored vehicles, that are seldom stationary in combat, I doubt that it´s inherently worse at engaging moving targets than say AT-guns. Of course their muzzle velocity is slower, but this should be already considered in its accuracy rating.

[PlasmaKrab]

Mobhack said:
The ranging MG on a tank is an MG, it fires 3 round bursts from a belt of several hundred rounds. A spotting rifle on an RCL is a semi auto weapon firing from a box of 12 or so rounds, so 8 or maybe 10 would be worthwhile, maybe.

Unlikely to make much game difference, even if we left everything alone. RCL life expectancy tends towards zero, whether towed or jeep-mounted.

I got some complaints about this while modding the Austrian OOB, and I gave a try to upgraded 106mm RCLs since they also carry spotting rifles.
I gave them 5 FC and 10 RF, which apparently ends up average in the spotting MG/rifle value range.

Just ran a test game with my modded Austrian M-40A1 Jeeps side by side with stock Canadian M-40A1 Jeeps with equal morale/exp ratings of 60/60.
At 750-800m against moving T-55s, the original jeeps get about 12% PHit, against a consistent 30 for the modded version. So yes, there is some game influence.

Granted, I dunno how much my FC value took prevalence over the RF one, and how much that FC value is justified.
Similarly, I can't comment on cost variations since other values have been tweaked.

And of course, the life expectancy in turns can still be counted without letting go of your mouse.