What is abusive ?

[vfb]

Sombre said:
K - "Heck, if you don't like Bogus's commands, you can just make a mod and change his unit so he doesn't have them. I could mod that in and I don't even program well."

Show me, because I have no idea how you'd do that.

I tried to do it this way:

Code:

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#selectmonster 647

#clear

#copystats 578

#copyspr 578

#descr "A witch turned Bogus and Co into Bog Beasts!"

#end

#selectmonster 648

... etc for the rest of the Company

#end

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But I still ended up with a bunch of Bog Beasts with special commands, after charming them. Fadmargast the Bog Beast still wants to "Attack commanders" and Fang the Bog Beast would very much like to "Fire Magic Users".

Maybe the easiest way is to mod them to be mindless. I don't think Mindless units can be charmed. You could also crank up their MR.

Probably you could also mod them into underwater units, so they would insta-die when they appear without fish amulets.

[KissBlade]

I use every dirty trick in the book above and beyond. =P

You think regular archer decoying is bad .. whoo boy, don't play a game with me if I have two hours to script =).

[jaif]

I have to admit, this subject has made me very hesitant to wade into the multi-player arena here.

I'm one of those who feels that as long as it's in the game, and not proscribed ahead of time, then go for it. Of course I know there are exceptions (you find a bug in the code mid-stream), but as a rule I just play and take my lumps.

But when I read the multiplayer forum, I see people lobbing accusations of "cheating" for very innocuous things - someone breaks a non-agression pact, or some tricky tactic.
This makes me very nervous about joining games. I'm quite happy to get smashed under by the pros, but I don't want to have to keep abreast of everyone's take on game etiquette.

-jeff

P.S. I think many people here would do well to play the board game "diplomacy" a few times. It builds character. :-)

[Baalz]

Heh, haven't been online long? You can't do much online without running into somebody calling you a dirty name, certainly don't let that stop you from trying MP. Play a fun game, be a good sport (by your own definition), and don't worry about it if somebody else gets aggravated at you. So long as you use a thimbleful of common sense and adhere to anything explicitly stated most people in this community are pretty tolerant, for the few that are loudly not there's a nice "ignore user" function of this forum.

[Edratman]

I agree with Jaif that there is a lot of bickering in this forum about MP tactics. I have never played MP in this game or any other and this is the first forum that I have participated in for any substantial period of time. (As an aside, I'm 56 and have been playing computer games since a week after electricity was invented.)

So I have a general question. Is this type of disagreement common in the forums of MP games?

I do like these threads because I do get a lot of cool tactics from them. Many, if not all of them, would never occur to me. So keep them up and keep the disputes cordial.

[Agrajag]

I have a question regarding the bogus commands trick/exploit/whatever.
If someone uses it against you, can you charm their troops that have the commands pasted to them and steal their commands for yourself?

[Baalz]

Agrajag said:
I have a question regarding the bogus commands trick/exploit/whatever.
If someone uses it against you, can you charm their troops that have the commands pasted to them and steal their commands for yourself?

Yes

[Lord_Bob]

Here is where people really just aren't thinking. Yes, KissBlade is undoubtly doing some sort of wierd AI manipulation, but, and this is a big but, it doesn't Wreck The Game. Tolerance for exploits that Wreck The Game are far worse. For example, people tolerate the stupid "Slave Collar" trick only because most people have the decency to not go crazy with it. 5 blood and B1 is not hard to come by. You can, if you want, raise ARMIES of scouts with these collars. 20-30 scouts, easy. What is that, 100 blood, 400 gold, and 20 mage turns? That's easy. And then they dump it on your main army and wipe out half your mages. Heh, heh. Extremely abused, it would wreck the game. The only reason it hasn't is people understand how ridiciliously cheap it is, so they limit their use of it.

Or the "Vengance of the Dead" retreat bug, that allows any idiot who wants to kill an early SC to do so. Fortunately, not all races can cast it, so you don't have sleeping, defensive pretenders rendered useless. Cause that's what it does.

[vfb]

"Vengeance of the Dead" hurts SC pretenders, not defensive ones. I think it's okay to cast it once at an SC pretender, but if he survives it's unfair to recast it. I think the doubling of the kill count for killing units you already killed once doesn't make sense.

[Edratman]

Potatoman, nicely done. Well written and based on admirable logic, ethics and reasoning.

I don't think that this game will be torn apart by MP exploit users because almost everyone on the forums is friendly, helpful and considerate. I'll acknowledge that there are people who live vicariously through their gaming success but I don't believe that they dominate this game. I attribute that to the fact that the game is a bit too profound for most of those players.