Priests and LA Ermor

[Kristoffer O]

Lord_Bob said:

Blah, blah, blah. In the last thread I was continously bad-mouthed. Unfortunately, I am better at dealing with bad-mouthing than they are at bad-mouthing. So they've stopped that. This is just you arriving at the "answer" you were going to reach no matter what. One of two things would happen:
A.The bullies, that have stopped all debate on these things, would be endlessly rude to me, and I would be polite. You would observe that I was being such a silly-little boy, and so wrong. Bully-boy has made so many, wrong, but oh-so-tough statements.
B.I would argue back. This would make me "rude", and you could condemn me for that.

I love these Post-Western arguments. We always know the answer, even before we've figured out how we are going to get it.

So, somehow, all real debate has stopped. Why is that?

It's because you have all the tools needed for the job.

Hmm.

A 'Blah, blah, blah' would be percieved as rude by most people I know of. If one of my students said 'Blah, blah, blah' to me when I asked him or her to listen I would consider him or her rude.

You do not win when people stop bad-mouthing you. You win if they never start bad mouthing you. Friends at least.

In regards to A.
I don't think they would be endlessly rude to you. Most bullies stop bullying if they don't get attention, since attention is what they crave. If they would be endlessly rude to you the admins would presumably talk to them about unacceptable behavior.
You would be polite, you say. Why not? Sounds like nice and normal behavior. I would approve.

I don't think real debate has stopped, but I believe that how you come across to people makes them less interested in having a debate with you on the matter at hand, and instead turn their focus towards how you present your opinions. If you like to debate I think you should work on how you present your arguments, lest you will find yourself in situations where all debate stops.

Edit: I hope you dont mind me saying that.

[VedalkenBear]

Then, if I may ask, Bob, so that we can give the best advice possible, who _are_ you playing?

[Lord_Bob]

You are actually being polite. It really is not that hard telling the difference between real politiness and "I'm-So-Much-Better-Than-You" fake politeness.

People aren't interest in discussion, that's why they say "use Archers" against Quickened Van Calvary and Skeletons with Tower Shields. Yes, archers are the natural counters to Calvary and units with large shields. I'm simply the first person aggravated enough to tell them they are saying nonsense, and maybe they should let people actually discuss facts for a change.

All debate has stopped. Things like giving Patala/Bandar Log/Kailasa 5 Melee Markata per PD point and a Mage and +3 Melee Markata after 20 should illicit a yawn from players. Most players wouldn't even notice. But it would make Patala playable. And I get an extreme reacion even though everyone agrees monkey PD is horrible.(The PD's own archers kill the melee markata till they route. Once the melee markata route, all units most make morale checks every turn. Everyone routes fairly soon.)

I'm not saying races should be balanced. Forget that. Certain concepts, like LA Ulm, are going to have trouble because the Concept is weaker. LA Ermor is a rock solid Concept. It's going to be strong. It should be strong. BUT. Things like making the castle skeletons stronger than normal soldiers and giving them 14 MR! is extremely problematic. That 14 MR doesn't JUST apply to banishment, you know. And then the Dusk Elders have access to SIX! paths of magic. AND Independent Shamans give Ermor access to SEVEN paths! And then they get Darkness at Alteration-6.

Some nations should be weak, and some nations should be strong, but this should be kept within certain limits.

[Jazzepi]

Maybe you should consider the fact that 99.9% of the other players on here, when they ask question or debate topics, don't elicit such venom. It's clear to me that the only variable that never changes in the past 3-4 times you've gone off on some tangent offending people, is you.

If I were you, Bob, I would start blaming yourself, instead of whining about how everyone else around you treats you, for how people respond to your behavior.

Jazzepi

[VedalkenBear]

Bob, I resent the implication that I am not _really_ being polite to you. If I am not interested in discussion, then may I ask how you explain that I have responded to each of your posts, and tried to carry on a dialogue with you which, to be frank, has at times seemed pointless.

And the castle undead have 10 MR. Now they might get +4 MR when they get buffed, but to get that buff they have to _fail_ a MR of 6 or higher.

For the record, I said 'Use Archers against LE Ermor', because Ermor has a lot more unshielded undead than shielded undead. However, you tend to narrow each situation for the sole purpose of being able to dismiss another person's advice.

If you don't want to state publicly who you are playing (for whatever reason), you can always privately message us for advice. You have us flailing in the dark here regarding the best ways to help you, and instead of enlightening us you seem to be taking a perverse delight in the fact that we suggest general solution, when the reason we cannot offer more specific solutions is because you will not give us the information we require for those solutions.

[Edi]

Jazzepi, if you do not intend to take part in the actual discussion but only focus on the personality of one participant, stay out of this thread. I can assure you that the thread is under review and the moderators will be keeping an eye on it.

Lord Bob, the blanket accusation of nost people being only fake-polite seems to be quite frankly without merit, as VedalkenBear points out. Most people who are participating in this thread are trying to offer you advice and are being quite reasonable about it and the ones who have not been so have been told to shut it, so I do not see where this is coming from.

Also, do not make the mistake of assuming that simply because someone may disagree with you on something his position is wrong, which is what seems to happen an awful lot. Sometimes things come down to personal preferences and style of play which leads to different outcomes from the same starting setup, all other things being equal. In such cases, there is no inherent flaw in the game in that respect.

[Edi]

This thread is going down the ****ter so fast that I'm going to shut it down right now. Since numerous warnings to various parties were ignored, final arbitration will be handled by the administrators.