US Sniper rifle???

[evan]

Deputy said:


SP:WAW, WinSPWW2, and WinSPMBT are SIMULATIONS. Games = DOOM, Call of Duty and all the crap that is made for Nintendo and Playstation.

Dep

Simulate: 1 to reproduce the conditions of (a situation) for study or testing: 2: to pretent to have or feel; 3: to imitate the form or condition of.. ///

From the Oxford English dictionary.

DEPUTY get a perspective on things; it's a game; any hex based turn based wargame is that; a game. A Simulation would require realtime activity; and a whole raft of factors that just aren't possible on a PC.

Why would you want a battle simulation after you've been in the real thing anyway??

Evan

[Deputy]

evan said:

Simulate: 1 to reproduce the conditions of (a situation) for study or testing: 2: to pretent to have or feel; 3: to imitate the form or condition of.. ///

From the Oxford English dictionary.

DEPUTY get a perspective on things; it's a game; any hex based turn based wargame is that; a game. A Simulation would require realtime activity; and a whole raft of factors that just aren't possible on a PC.

Why would you want a battle simulation after you've been in the real thing anyway??

Evan

If you've never been in a war, it's impossible to explain.
Ever see the movie "Apoclypse Now"? There's a line Martin Sheen says..."When I was here (at home), I wanted to be there; when I was there, all I could think of was getting back into the jungle."
War brings out the best (and worst) in man. Plus it's the "ultimate high" you can get without taking drugs.

Anyway, I found a more acceptable definition of simulation...
A simulation is an imitation of some real thing, state of affairs, or process. The act of simulating something generally entails representing certain key characteristics or behaviours of a selected physical or abstract system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation

Given the choice, I'll take that definition of simulation and leave the games to children.

Dep

[RVPERTVS]

Deputy said:
Anyway, I found a more acceptable definition of simulation...
A simulation is an imitation of some real thing, state of affairs, or process. The act of simulating something generally entails representing certain key characteristics or behaviours of a selected physical or abstract system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation

Given the choice, I'll take that definition of simulation and leave the games to children.

Dep

Deputy: Please take note of the definition of "Military Simulation" contained pagedwn the very same source you are invoking, I quote:



"Military simulations:also known informally as war games , are models in which theories of warfare can be tested and refined without the need for actual hostilities. They exist in many different forms, with varying degrees of realism . In recent times, their scope has widened to include not only military but also political and social factors.[7] Whilst many governments make use of simulation, both individually and collaboratively, little is known about the model's specifics outside professional circles."



So the problem is not in the definition but in the degree of realism you´re looking for in a "war-game" (not only children but even profesional armies refer to them as such) you don´t have to play it if you don´t like it.

IMHO the difference between those terms resides in the level of realism they are known for, thus short answer is: SP is a "war-game" with the level of realism (simulation) you might get out of a BnLv miniature tabletop game and indirectly depicts the real deal, if you´re looking for a "simulation" which is nothing more than indeed a "war-game" with a higher effort into realism try SB like Andy said, I understand that´s the one the US Military actually uses for training purposes, you can even play that game with an optional replica of the M1A2 and Leo controllers, that´s a simulation "War-game" to me, because it remains a wg.

SP could never be considered from the pile of "simulations" simply because of it´s "war-game" level of realism, I´m talking about the fact that it plays in turns and that you can´t move 2 units at the same time, I see no point in demanding scroupulos realism in a game like this

Even with all the sniper rifles tuned up to te point you recomend the game wouldn´t become a "simulation", simply because it couldn´t be one given it´s gamey limitations. Love it or Leave it.

Just my $0.02
Robert