lantern shield

Kuritza · #1 December 18th, 2007, 02:58 PM

Raising your defense is much easier than attack, so eye shield is a cheap, in all meanings of the word, way of killing SCs.
And once again, judging by our tests Eye shield does NOT check MR, it works when your defense beats enemy attack. There is NO defense against eye shield, other than a 30+ attack and maybe a morningstar (I heard they have a bonus vs shields).
And honestly, I dont see attack of 30+ that often.

Shovah32 · #2 December 18th, 2007, 03:14 PM

For enemy SC killing, try:
2xShadow Brand
Horned Helmet
Jade Armour
Flying Shoes(or, if flying, boots of quickness and decent armour)
Bear Claw Talisman/Burning Pearl
Ring of the Warrior

4 Shadow Brand attacks per turn for big damage, 2 gore attacks to help with defence and maybe do damage, great attack from quickness, weapons and misc items, flying to hit the enemy fast.

Twan · #3 December 18th, 2007, 03:15 PM

I remember a game where the eyeloss effect worked with an eye shield on a SC paralyzed before melee, so I've difficulties to believe it's based on defense (or there is a bug somewhere).

Baalz · #4 December 18th, 2007, 03:28 PM

If you've got access to blood, shield of the accursed is one of my favs. One of (the? don't remember) best defense boosts, great protection, and if a SC wails away at you for awhile he's gonna be horror marked to hell even if he wins.

PyroStock · #5 December 18th, 2007, 03:38 PM

The flagellant's flails don't ignore shields, but it was my understanding the magic forged flails/morningstars (Star of Heroes, Evening Star & Star of Thalrdom) still do. Edit: Although looking at Edi's DB there's nothing I see to suggest that.

Anyone know why Belial the Demon Lord's flail requires two hands for this size6 demon to hold if it has the same 3 damage as a regular one-handed flagellant's flail?

FAJ · #6 December 18th, 2007, 04:05 PM

I thought Belial's flail gave him a heratic bonus?

PyroStock · #7 December 18th, 2007, 04:32 PM

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FAJ said:
I thought Belial's flail gave him a heratic bonus?

The heratic thing sounds like Belphagor the Demon Lord. I believe Belial himself increases unrest and Edi's database shows he can "corrupt commander" too. Belial's flail has curse luck, which is what interested me about it. It's possible it's WAD, but I was just surprised seeing the 2-handed flail at 3damage since non-magic 2-handed wands/staffs are 3 damage along with non-magic 1-handed flails.

FAJ · #8 December 18th, 2007, 05:35 PM

Yeah, I confused the two. I am always disappointed when Buer doesnt show up.

Ewierl · #9 December 18th, 2007, 06:27 PM

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PyroStock said:
The flagellant's flails don't ignore shields, but it was my understanding the magic forged flails/morningstars (Star of Heroes, Evening Star & Star of Thalrdom) still do. Edit: Although looking at Edi's DB there's nothing I see to suggest that.

I thought I read somewhere that in Dom3, they were +2 attack vs. shields. Can't back up my statement with sources, though...

PyroStock · #10 December 18th, 2007, 07:05 PM

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Ewierl said:

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PyroStock said:
The flagellant's flails don't ignore shields, but it was my understanding the magic forged flails/morningstars (Star of Heroes, Evening Star & Star of Thalrdom) still do. Edit: Although looking at Edi's DB there's nothing I see to suggest that.

I thought I read somewhere that in Dom3, they were +2 attack vs. shields. Can't back up my statement with sources, though...

I cannot back up mine either & since I cannot find anything to confirm my initial premise in Edi's DB you're probably right & all flails are treated the same.