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[brummbaer]

Don,
re tank platoons: the second you say. Transition from 5 to 4 was done sometime around 1990. It proves hard to draw a precise timeline, and the two platoons may have co-existed for a short time as in every transition. But as organizational TO&E in the '80s they were all on 5, and later both Leos and M60 were reduced to 4. M47 remained on 5 till final dismission in 1989.
re alpini: in 1980 companies are on 3 "assaltatori" platoons, i.e. regular alpini infantry, plus AT platoon and mortar platoon (6x81mm). Alpini engineers form a separate company under brigade command.
Ciao

[brummbaer]

More small addictions:
VCC-1 (units 192-193) have no secondary 7.62 MG, just the main one M2HB 12.7.

Scout and FO vehicles units 216-217-218-219-401 and also light amphibians 202-203 have no weapons on board. I guess this is the case for other armies as well, so maybe there is some reason behind this.

Unit 212 Mav 4: never heard of this one, is it meant to represent some unspecified protected vehicle? The only wheeled APC we had is the FIAT 6614, and only for internal security duties (carabinieri).
All for now
Ciao

[DRG]

"Carrozzeria Boneschi TLE Boneschi Multirole 4 x 4 Armoured Vehicle MAV-4 (Italy) "

"The Boneschi MAV-4 is a light armored vehicle used by the Italians......"

Designation: MAV 4
Manufactured by: Carrozeria Boneschi Srl
Type: Armoured Vehicles
Name: Wheeled armoured personnel carrier


It exists and there is info for it on the 'net. Whether it entered service or not in 1958 is questionable.

Don

[brummbaer]

DRG said:
"Carrozzeria Boneschi TLE Boneschi Multirole 4 x 4 Armoured Vehicle MAV-4 (Italy) "

"The Boneschi MAV-4 is a light armored vehicle used by the Italians......"

Designation: MAV 4
Manufactured by: Carrozeria Boneschi Srl
Type: Armoured Vehicles
Name: Wheeled armoured personnel carrier


It exists and there is info for it on the 'net. Whether it entered service or not in 1958 is questionable.

Don

Really a rare one! It's probably from the '80s, but I don't have any solid source. Anyway I'd list it in the miscellaneous menu as command or utility vehicle rather than in armor recon companies.

[brummbaer]

Some other little smoothings:
-units 437 and 438 (MG59 MMG) are both available from 1/73 while the 438 should, presumably, be available from 1/91 after the 437 goes off the list.
-VCC-1 (units 192-193) can carry only 7; infantry and bersaglieri squads carried should be adjusted accordingly start 1/74 (I set units 310-311-312 on 7 men).
-VCC-80 Dardo (units 194-195) has a crew of 3 and can carry 6. Actually the TC could dismount with the squad if needed, but obviously this can't be covered by the game. So it is a matter of choice between 3+6 (formally correct) or a more infantry-friendly 2+7.
Ciao

[brummbaer]

Hello there.
It seems taht something has been lost along the way, so again:
- Tank Companies, either with M60 or Leopard 1 are on 16 tank (1+ 3x5)well into the end of the '80s, and not 4+ 4x5. And this applies since their introduction.
- also italian M47 have never been arned with a 105mm gun (unit 016).
- for the A129 Mangusta see above posts #507052 and 564700.
ciao

[brummbaer]

After a long time I'm again at it.
This time I put my attention on the VBM/VBC Freccia, that is units:
041 VBC-R
078 VBC 155mm
089 VBC SAM
200 VBC-I

First of all the 155mm and the VBC SAM have never been conceived, so these are totally fictional units.
VBC-R in the game is portrayed as a Gun APC but it's quite different from the real one in carry capacity and armament.

Unit 200 is the one closest to the VBM Combat version, a wheeled IFV armed with:
weapon 1 25mm KBA with 200 rounds (which should make for 21 rounds in the game as for the Dardo which has the same turret),
weapon 2 7.62 coax MG
weapon 3 7.62 AAMG
Crew is 3+8, and the vehicle is available say starting 1/109.
No data on armor, so your guess is good as mine.
They are organized in companies of 13 vehicles (1+3plx4).

Other versions of the Freccia actually entering service are:
- VBC AT with same stats as the VBM Combat plus 2 Rafael Spike ATGMs, I couldn't find any info about reloads. It is to form 8-vehicles platoons.
- VBM SP mortar with no turret and 120mm TDA 2R2M (range 8km, 13 Km with RAP), no info about reloads; secondary armament 2x 7.62 AAMG, in 4-vehicles platoons.
- VBM PC (Command Post) with no turret, extra C3 equipment, armament still unclear whether 40mm GL or 12.7 or 7.62 MG in remote controlled turret. To be used in pairs at Battalion level HQ.

Other projected versions are a Medevac vehicle on the same chassis of the PC; a pioneer vehicle specialized for urban use; an ARV. But all these are irrelevant to the game.

Don and Andy let me know if all this is worth something.
Edit: the use of VBC/VBM acronyms is very confusing in italian sources, so I suggest to call them all in one way.

[DRG]

Originally Posted by brummbaer

VBC-R in the game is portrayed as a Gun APC but it's quite different from the real one in carry capacity and armament.

Ok......so what's the real one like then ?

Don