Japanese OOB omissions.

[chuckfourth]

Hi Pat

PatG said:
I can't speak to the missing formations as I tend to cross attach sub-units to taste rather than buy pre-built company formations. The Japanese OOB is more obfuscated than most anyway.

Then dont, the missing units cant be built by cross attaching, otherwise I wouldnt have bothered posting.

PatG said:
As for the mortars, once again the designers have accommodated two opposing camps rather nicely. There was a long and acrimonious discussion on the yahoo lists on the matter. The basic split was between grenade chuckers such as the 2" and type 89's with limited sighting and the more advanced German 50 mm with proper sights etc. Lip service was given to the similarly equipped US 60 mm.

GL was clearly capable of and employed as an indirect fire mortar. there are 6 references to the use of the weapon in this article. In all 6 the weapon is being used in the indirect fire role.
http://www.history.army.mil/books/ww...a/chapter9.htm
Pat please read
http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/okinawa/
in its entirety.

PatG said:
The up shot as I recall was the splitting of the mortars into organic direct fire support versions that use Z key fire to hit dead ground and mortars proper in independent teams that could be bought if players wished to use the indirect versions.

The upshot was that SPCAMO decided that GL was a mortar proper hence the creation of Formation 216 "Rifle Platoon C" containing an indirect fire GL, unit 193 "Type 89 GL" class 201 "Mortar Subclass B". Since then someone has substited this correct weapon with the direct fire only, unit 520 "GL section" class 64 "Medium infantry" I am assuming that this is a mistake same as losing the four formations.
All the Japanese Gls sould be class 201 the player then has a choice of direct or indirect mode fire rather than being forced to use indirect mode only, as cross attaching doesnt work

PatG said:
So if you want indirect Type 89's, don't buy them as part of a company, buy them separately and cross attach.

You cant buy them as part of a coy. The problem with cross attaching is this If I buy a 9 coy regiment of the old v 7 'inf coy f's that contain the required class 201 GLs then it costs 3618 points if I have to cross attach the Regiment now costs 4116. My direct fire GLs move at 7 and the cross attached indirect GLs only move at 6 and I still have all the unwanted indirect fire Gls because as they are part of the platoon I cant get rid of them.
please have a look at the structure of coy F before replying Pat.

PatG said:
Oh and good luck with the masses of 1 pt Chinese armour.

This says it all really, Russians Pat Russians.

My mistake when I say v 7.0 had the missing Jap units I mean v 7.1. The removed formations are Formation 217 "Rifle Platoon D", and Formation 218 "Rifle Platoon E" these make up Formations 211 and 212 "Infantry Co G" and "Infantry Co H" which no longer appear in the game. The Irony here Pat is that Infantry Co G is your much loved Jap light infantry.
Best Regards Chuck