New Russian OOB (or SPR OOB)

[KraMax]

Hello Don.

Well that you recognise that an effective range for these guns too small, even against M40 RCL. I am assured that at M40 RCL - a real effective range almost same as well as at B-11.
How much I understand, game itself does small chance of destroy unit if unit is very far from a gun, also it is influenced by experience crew. Limiting range of our gun - you actually put us in is unreal long odds with armour units.

[DRG]

We used the effective range for these guns based on the information we could gather from a number of sources. It's NOT a matter of "Limiting range of our gun" when I'm using numbers supplied from various different sources and the Russian gun come up short in comparison. I didn't write the data we used, I just used the data that we had found. The data I have seen lately and in the past for the M40 gives it an EFFECTIVE range between 1100m and 1350m but I have also seen it as high as 2750m (maximum effective) and we don't use that number.... do we? So who was it that "assured" you the M40 equalled the B11 ?

I don't make up these numbers. They come from various sources and if I found source after source after source that said the B11 could fire 1400m effectively I would change it but I don't. What I find is source after source after source ( including one YOU provided ) saying 450m was it's effective range.

It has NOTHING to do with "Limiting" the Russian gun. WE still give it 38cm penetration because all the sources I find give it that value. Does anyone get on your case about "limiting" the B11 penetration to 30?

Andy and I discussed this earlier. He felt they were too low but all the research comes back to the original numbers being correct.

Don

[KraMax]

You have not understood me a little.
Let's assume that at 450 metres - B-11 100 % will be destroyed by the tank, from 600 metres - 80 % will be destroyed by the tank, from 1000 metres - 50 % will be destroyed by the tank, from 1300 metres - 10 % will be destroyed by the tank. All it not the present data, I have resulted these figures as an example. Approximately also it is possible to write and about M40 RCL.
Here is how you personally estimate effective range of shell B-11 in 450 metres when at this shell initial speed is equal 400 metres per second?
I am almost assured that data on the majority of English-speaking sites - are simply copied each other - therefore from them almost identical data.
There is an aim range of shooting at these guns... Certainly from a distance of 450 metres to get to the tank is easier than from a distance of 1000 metres. But to instructions it is written that 450 metres are range of a direct shot, instead of an effective shot. What is the direct shot? Is a shot on the tank through a sight needlessly to use a scale of amendments to a sight. It is not effective fire. HEAT the ammunition is not lost the penetration with increase in range of shooting, means about reduction of efficiency we can speak only as about accuracy reduction, instead of range of shooting. So? But as far as I know accuracy of shooting other indicators - parametre of the weapon define in game accuracy, fire control, range finder and exp. crew. So? Then and here range?

[Krok]

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On mine all problem in distinction of terms.
Shot, at which the trajectory does not rise above a line of an aiming above height of the target on all extent, has the name - a shot on point blank range . Within the limits of point blank range , during the intense moments of fight, shooting can be conducted without rearrangement of a sight.
In russian this range refers to "dalnost pryamogo vystrela"
or if translate it is literally -"range of direct shot"
So we have point blank range for a B11 gun - 450 meters at initial speed of grenade 400m/s and weight of proectile near 7,5kg for 2m height target.
I think for m40a 106mm rcl at initial speed of grenade 500m/s point blank range is near 600-800m .
For 106mm RCL m40a i saw some different definitions of range of fire :
1300-1500 m - effective range on the motionless targets, 1000-1100 m - effective range on the moving targets,
500-700 metres " best fighting range ",
about 2500-2700 metres with the modern aim equipment including a ballistic computer and new proectiles with high penetration.
IMHO 450metres for B11 RCL it " best fighting range ".

Alex (Krok)

[KraMax]

We have change units.

change units:
unit 003 - radio 93
unit 006 - radio 93
unit 007 - radio 93
unit 013 - radio 73
unit 014 - radio 93
unit 051 - radio 93
unit 052 - radio 93
unit 053 - radio 93
unit 125 - radio 92
unit 132 - radio 92
unit 133 - radio 92
unit 253 - radio 92
unit 254 - radio 92
unit 262 - radio 72
unit 268 - radio 63
unit 454 - radio 93
unit 497 - radio 73
unit 498 - radio 73
unit 600 - radio 62
unit 602 - radio 62
unit 749 - radio 92

To download it it is possible from here: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/obat011.obf

[KraMax]

I have forgotten to write about other changes:

change units:
units 394, 395, 396, 397 - change unit class Area SAM (16)

[KraMax]

We have change units.

change units:
units 041-065, 067-090 - change unit class from 135 (Main Battle Tank) to class 059 (MBT). Have changed class units to that-that, the computer at purchase of armies in mission to disembarkation to coast (beach) - does not buy for units class 135 (Main Battle Tank) the barge.

To download it it is possible from here: www.pecypc.kz/kramax/obat011.obf