Aircraft weapons

DRG · #1 February 10th, 2008, 03:23 PM

Yes, this wasn't a discovery on our part as much as a discovery that over time a number of units had been set up this way by the various OOB designers or that when units are cut and pasted from one OOB to another sometimes weapons set for helos have been used for aircraft and aircraft weapons used on Helos. That's not an issue if the weapon in question is strictly HE but it is very important when there are AT considerations.

Another thing is autocannon on Helos. WC5 will not fire at helos. It's for ground vs ground work. Any weapon set up as WC5 and given to a Helicopter to use as a weapon will shoot at ground targets no problem but will refuse to fire at other helos. I'm right in the middle of sorting all that out now.

There are over 34,000 units in all the OOB's. 34,679 as of today to be exact. Ensuring everyone who ever touched the OOB's did everything by the book can be a real treat at times.

Don

Marek_Tucan · #2 February 11th, 2008, 04:06 PM

For helos, I'd have another question: Would it make sense to distinguish helicopters with fixed weapons and those with wider field of fire? To avoid any East-West conflict, let's take say Ka-50 vs. Mi-28, one has gun with only limited traverse in forward arc, the other has gun on rotating mount. So I'd guess the '28 should be somehow benefitted compared to '50 in terms of firing opportunities, as '50 has to maneuver more to get shot off - does that make any sense?

Anyway, my suggestion would be lowering stabilliser rating for the helos with fixed guns. In hover, they'd get the same firing opportunities, but once they'd get moving, they will lose them faster than helos with flexible weapons.

Not a major issue, jsut a stray thought provoked by the Air question.

thatguy96 · #3 February 11th, 2008, 08:40 PM

If you were going to do that I think some people might clamour for a look at whether or not there is enough variance to then justify changes based on the nature of the turret and targeting equipment as well. Faster slew rates and more advanced sighting equipment right.

Marek_Tucan · #4 February 12th, 2008, 02:20 AM

Those would be covered rather by FC methinks, but anyway as I've said, it's just a stry idea I even didn't have time to try out. Maybe after Wednesday

thatguy96 · #5 February 12th, 2008, 03:07 AM

Oh, without a doubt, I'm just saying that if you change one thing you might end up being compelled to change another.

kevineduguay1 · #6 February 12th, 2008, 10:36 PM

I had a Maverick kill two tanks in different hexes, so this is a problem. But why can't the A-10's 30mm gun kill a tank? After all was'nt the gun was designed to do this? At least once on occation?

DRG · #7 February 13th, 2008, 01:48 PM

Two kills for one missile can happen. If the HEkill is reduced that reduces incidents like that but also makes the weapon less effective against non armoured targets. We made changes to the code in the last release that reduced the number of incidences like that and I assume this isn't something you see all the time but you don't say one way or the other. If it is, nobody else is reporting it.

The A-10's 30mm gun CAN kill a tank in the game. I have seen it happen so saying it cannot "At least once on occasion" is ridiculous and I can provide save games that prove that statement is ridiculous. However, we are reviewing how multibarreled weapons are handled in the game and found a flaw in the code that goes back to SP2 that was reducing the effects of multibarreled guns. That doesn't affect the way the A10's are set up in the OOB's you have now but will when the patch is released and the new OOB's are used. However, don't expect fantasy results where A-10's leave masses of twisted wreckage after one pass. The actual armoured piecing ability of the GAU-8 Avenger is 69mm at 500 meters but the game fires from a shorter range and is rated as a 9 right now and that's won't kill a lot of tanks.

Don