What happenes?: I break siege, new army moves in.

[lch]

It's the easiest to think of a siege break as a zero distance movement. Battle's outside, the usual rules concerning battles from movement apply.

[Torin]

i dont remember that, but what can happen is after winning the break siege, the new army sieges the fort without a fight since breakers are not on patrol.

[Argitoth]

Torin, that's what I figured made sense.

[Edi]

Torin said:
i dont remember that, but what can happen is after winning the break siege, the new army sieges the fort without a fight since breakers are not on patrol.

Torin's answer is in most likelihood the correct one. Such behavior would also be consistent with the behavior bugs related to events causing indie attacks in provinces where a castle is under siege.

[vfb]

No, I tested it, with:

Marverni is sieging Helheim.
Helheim breaks siege.
Oceania moves into Helheim.

What happened (from Helheim's point of view) was:

1) There was a battle in Helheim. The sieging force has been beaten by our forces. (fight against Marverni)

2) Our undefended province has been conquered by the enemy (this message is bogus)

3) There was a battle in Helheim, The sieging force has been beaten by our forces. (fight against Oceania)

So the 'break siege' army got to fight both armies, even though it wasn't patrolling.


Torin, perhaps you are thinking of what happens when you storm a castle -- if a 3rd army moves into the province and you stormed with your entire force, then that 3rd army will be sieging you.

Edit: savegame attached

[Edi]

Thanks for confirming that, vfb

Now, all I have to do is sort out all these siege issues...

*head explodes*

[Dedas]

vfb, I want to look at the file but I need the "Kitchen sink" mod (lol).

[vfb]

Okay, should be this one ... attached. Darn mods enabling themselves without my permission! Let me know what else you need. Probably easyspell.dm too, it's all in the zip.

[Dedas]

I need the map "mini.tga" as well.

[lch]

vfb said:
Torin, perhaps you are thinking of what happens when you storm a castle -- if a 3rd army moves into the province and you stormed with your entire force, then that 3rd army will be sieging you.

Or maybe if the defending party throws some magic movement commandos on the sieging army while they get reinforcements. The teleported army will defeat the sieging army outside, then get inside to snuggle with the others, while the reinforcements siege again.

I don't think that there are extra phases involved in sieging that are not in the manual. As I wrote, siege break is a zero distance movement, that's all. The process is very deterministic, somebody go forward and draw a nice chart.