Aircraft weapons

[Marek_Tucan]

Set up a similar test (as your results seemed really odd to me, don't have such weak results when I'm being attacked by 20mm-armed planes ), flat land, vis 50, four T-62M1975, four Warthogs, two attacking from the rear, two from rear-flank. Spotting M981A3, clear view on all T-62's.

1st attack (rear): Two solid hits, one top (No Effect) one Turret front (Tank fired on aircraft, turret was turned rearwards; No effect).

2nd attack (rear): First hit - * damage, second hit * IMMOBILISED.

3rd attack (side-rear): Side hit, destroyed.

4th attack (side-rear): one miss, one No Effect.

[kevineduguay1]

My computer is acting up. Fonts and colors are screwed up and other things just are acting funny. I have a new computer sitting on my dining room table but a Im waiting for a new desk, Trying to find problem now.

As far as my test went I should have given my T-62s some mobility to check that effect. What aircraft did you use and what was the fire control?

[kevineduguay1]

Fixed!! Very strange. Could it be the video card? Hmmmmm?

[DRG]

First off "kevineduguay1" I have NO idea how you could get the results you got. No idea at all.

Every time I run a test like that ( and I don't even bother trying to inflate the experience and moral modifiers ) I get dead and immobilized tanks. I do not see ANY way your game could generate 48 attacks and have "no tanks were damaged or destroyed". I consider that impossible and I'm running my tests using the same OOB's and game EXE you are using ( that assumes you ARE using V3.5 )

I'm asking you to post that test scenario so we can all replay it. There is NO way to judge what you have done without seeing it. In fact I would like as many people as possible run your test and report the results on the forum

There is something seriously "OFF" with your game to generate those results. I would suggest you delete your Game Preferences.ini found in the Game data folder. I can only assume it has been corrupted in some way because when I run test just like that tanks get damaged AND die

I have attached a simple test. 14 T-62's and 14 A-10s. The A-10's are only set up with guns and the T-62's don't have AAMG's to interfere with the test and slow it down.

The first time I ran it.. and just to remind everyone these are the stock V3.5 OOB's and game EXE, I got 3 kills and 1 immobilizations as well as 5 other tanks with varying degrees of damage.

The second time I ran it I got three kills and four tanks with varying degrees of damage

If you have been running tests like this and getting zero kills and damage I can see why you would think something was wrong with the game but when I run it this is NOT the case . It would be MOST helpful to see this test you set up that gave you "48 attacks no tanks were damaged or destroyed. I have never, EVER in all the tests or games I've played with A10's seen anything like that

Don

[kevineduguay1]

No DRG, it seems my first test was messed up. For some reason when the tanks had no MA or mobility they just weren't
important enough to hit

2nd test with a Main Gun but no ammo and a 2 speed factor added to the T-62s things changed quite a bit.

I did 24 runs this time with many more hits. Results were as follows,

Misses----------1

Immobile--------1

Kills-----------6

Hits No Effect--12 These were Pen-0 vs Arm-4 or in some cases only a 1 armor factor above the Pen factor.

Oddballs--------4 Hits that should be kills. They read out as high as Pen-10 vs Arm-4 with no effect on the vehicle besides suppression (buttoned).

All shots were from the rear. Test set up was same as above.

[kevineduguay1]

Last test of the night changed gun to fire a mix of HE and Sabot. Everything else was the same. Could only run 16 passes. (started to run out of targets)

1 tank after 2 solid hits was in retreat

5 tanks were immobile (1 abandonded)

5 tanks were kills

1 Shell Splinter

1 Miss

3 Should have been kills (P-6 vs A-5, P-8 vs A-4, P-9 vs A-4) The first one listed in this group I can forgive, the other two should have been kills IMHO.

[DRG]

If we go back and carefully review the original, real world test. ........

"In this test an A-10 aircraft attacked two combat-loaded individual Soviet T-62 tanks in five missions totalling seven passes"

TWO T-62 target tanks
AND
7 PASSES TOTAL


Then the actual results

The ratio of impacts to rounds fired was 0.10. Of the 93 impacts, 17 penetrated the armoured envelopes for a ratio of perforations to impacts of 0.18

So, only 10% of the rounds hit and only 18% penetrated in real life on two targets and SEVEN passes.

I have NO idea what you mean exactly in your 2nd test by "24 runs this time " 24 runs what ? 24 individual attacks ? 24 passes on 14 tanks with 4 A-10's ? IDK, you still haven't posted your test as I asked you to so we can see what you are doing. I don't want an explanation, I want to see your test.

When I run the tests as close to the real life test as I can both of the target T-62's either end up dead or severely damaged.

IDK what your tests are telling you but mine tell me everything's working just fine. Maybe too well.

Don

[kevineduguay1]

Each pass is an individual attack. One A-10 vs one T-62.

DRG,
The tests had to be done this way for the GAME.

If you read that the actual test carefully you will see that after EACH ATTACK the tanks were refurbished. In other words repaired to some degree.

In the game there is no option to patch holes, repair suspentions, or for that matter fix anything that happens to get blown off of a tank.

From your post,
"In this test an A-10 aircraft attacked two combat-loaded individual Soviet T-62 tanks in five missions totaling seven passes; technicians rehabilitated the two vehicles after each pass."

[kevineduguay1]

I do not know how to post the actual tests. Tell me how and I will do it if my computer is up to it. If not you will have to wait till I get the new one up and running.(Monday maybe?)
The thing is now that I'm getting a variety of results. So far they vary from hitting almost every time with some kind of damage, to hitting maybe 60% of the time with few damage results.

[kevineduguay1]

Why do these old gun ships (units 829, 827, and 825+826) Have Fire Control ratings of 8? Why not the A-10? Also units 829 and 827 have a Fire Control rating of 20 while the A-10 has a FC rating of 15, the same as a WWII fighter plane.
Why do you people think the US Military is that stupid?