The Daily Iraq errors report

[Marcello]

Some more stuff
Unit 34, M-84A. As pretty much every source about it states
Kuwait was the only foreign customer. A small number were captured by Iraq, but that was in 1991, not in 1988 as it is in the game now.

http://www.vojska.net/eng/armed-forc...ent/tank/m-84/
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/m84.htm

Units 95 96 and 205, 155mm A-M FG, 155mm A-M FG CM and 155mm A-M Mines. I have seen no source supporting the introduction of new tube artillery designs in the 90's. They did improvise some rocket designs in that period but no tube artillery.

[Marcello]

Now to some new iraqi army equipment that is currently lacking.

BTR-94
M113A1

These two were available since summer of 2004 and in actual service since the beginning of 2005. Spartans are also mentioned but were never subsequently shown or mentioned to be in service so probably they were just parked somewhere. The BTR-94 were actively used for at least a couple of years to be then replaced by M1117 ASV.
M113s continue to be used by and delivered to the new iraqi army.

http://www.defendamerica.mil/article.../a080904f.html
http://www.longwarjournal.org/oob/index.php

BTR-80
Delivered since 2006 and currently in service.

http://www.deagel.com/equipment/Whee...000348001.aspx
http://www.longwarjournal.org/oob/index.php

[DRG]

Re -M84
I think the M-84 was put in as a captured piece but it does appear the dates were wrong . This frequently occurs because the info the OOB designers had at the time was not as clear as it is 5 or 6 years later and the OOB designer is no longer available to ask where the source of this info can be found

From you we discover "A small number were captured by Iraq" but not if they were used by the Iraqis so there's a 50/50 chance whatever decision is made about them will be wrong or that new info won't be found three years from now reversing that decision. For now I have renationalized them so they will not show up as a pick. When/if I get more info or find the time to comb through every scenario that might use them I will decide what further steps might be warranted

Re-Al-Majnoon arty


This complaint also ties in with the Al-Fao FG

( weapon 113---- Unit users of weapon ID 113 210mm Al-Fao FG:
098 - 210mm AF FG : 1 - Available 01/085 to 04/103
182 - 210mm A-F Pl : 1 - Available 01/095 to 04/103
182 - 210mm A-F Pl : 2 - Available 01/095 to 04/103
182 - 210mm A-F Pl : 3 - Available 01/095 to 04/103
360 - Al Faw-210 : 1 - Available 01/095 to 04/103

If looks like they were put in becasue the info at hand either suggested they were in service or were likely in service. Strangely enough hard info on what the Iraqis did or didn't actually have in service was difficult to pin down until the country was overrun. "Wikipedia" which I will not trust without back up sources is more than just a BIT vague.."it does not appear to have entered into Iraqi service and none were captured during the 1991 Gulf War; the programme was probably cancelled thereafter" ........... "does not APPEAR"....... " was PROBABLY" cancelled. Not exactly inspiring wording is it ? And none of that info was available when the OOB was written. However, there ARE problems with these weapons even if they DID make it to service. The "Al-Maj Minelets" were never set up properly as minelets but as cluster instead. Odd nobody noticed for 5 years. I can only guess at the reason for that.

However, sources like http://www.faoa.org/journal/iraq9910.html say.......

"In June 1988, the Iraqis signed an agreement with Dr. Gerald Bull's 'company Space Research Corporation to design and build two prototypes of the South African G-6 self-propelled howitzer. The result of this agreement is the Al-Majnoon a 155 mm howitzer and the Al-Faw, a 210-mm gun both with enhanced ammunition and a range of 40 kilometers. . "

Which seems to suggest this was developed.... Yes ? That was written in 1999 so there one source that suggests it did exist after all even though the wording does not give a lot of detail and that's the type of info we had to work with when the OOB was written. If you have something that catigorically states these things never got beyond the design stage please do share

I'll put this on the list and decide what to do when I have more information.

Don

[Marcello]

At http://armstrade.sipri.org/

In the registries it is written:
Al Fao 210mm Self-propelled gun.
Two units delivered via Spain in 1989.
Planned production in Iraq cancelled.

Some pictures (scroll down)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=124145
Probably taken at the Baghdad Expo of 1989

From what I pieced together these guns were all self propelled (no mention of towed versions) and while they got to the state of prototype in the late 80's they progressed no further.
There are no mentions anywhere of their use or mass production especially in the late 90's.
Given how the indigenous arms production programs of Iraq were scrutinized before and after 2003 I find doubtful that the production of something so big and complex would have passed unnoticed, without mentioning that the delapidated industrial base of sanctions era Iraq would not have been up to it.
I bet that those two prototypes were parked somewhere and forgotten until they were bombed or scrapped. I don't know the game policy about these sort of units.

Should I try to find something more about the M-84?

[DRG]

No, I'm just going to pull them out. Let me know if I should remove the minelet arty ( Unit 206 and 566 )

Don

[Marcello]

Short answer: unit 206 and 566 should not be available.

Long answer
Currently the the iraqi army has no minelet arty. As a matter of fact they have not had any artillery at all beyond mortars since the surrender in 2003, the first artillery units are going to be raised in 2009 if they stick to schedule. At this point there is no way to know if and when they will get some scatterable mines in the next decade without using the proverbial crystal ball.
In the past they may have had some limited scatterable mines capacity in the late 80's. They had what is referred to as Ababel/KPTM mine in the american UXO reports, it was seemingly rocket delivered (probably via BM-21 or some other MRLS). As of now I have very little info about the extent it was really an operational weapon.
As I see it you could either delete them (I don't remember any scenario using them) or leave them without formation so that they could eventually be modified into actually used weapons later on.

[Marcello]

In addition to the BTR-80, BTR-94 and M113 I noted previously the iraqi army has used the MT-LB since the end of 2004.

http://www.defendamerica.mil/article.../a113004d.html

In addition also the Dzik-3 since the beginning of 2006

http://www.warwheels.net/DZIK3index.html

An additional source about the BTR-80 delivery
http://www.janes.com/defence/land_fo...0729_1_n.shtml

[Marcello]

Units 219-262-396-603-605-607-912 should be deleted. There are absolutely no plans to aquire these V-150 vehicles (aside from the M1117 offshoot).