Rain of stones, and gifts from the sky

llamabeast · #1 March 18th, 2008, 06:12 PM

Twist fate definitely works against Gifts from Heaven, as in my last MP game it saved countless of my S9 sacreds from it.

Mistform is amazing. Even against magical things they will only take 1 damage, although it will be negated. So with something like Gifts from Heaven, that's an extra life. I bet it will make units almost immune to Rain of Stones.

OmikronWarrior · #2 March 19th, 2008, 01:08 AM

Llamabeast beat me to it, but mistform is pretty neat. Yes, magic weapons will dispel the effect (as will really lucky hits or really hard hits), but the dispelling hit will still only do 1 damage, even if it is magic. I'm sure this effects Gifts from Heaven as well.

atul · #3 March 19th, 2008, 03:31 AM

Are you people really certain that Rain of Stones affects every square in the battlefield? That isn't what I've seen. If you pause the game just at the RoS animation, you see that the visual effect doesn't hit every square, maybe about 1/3 of all. If it'd hit every square, it'd be even better mage-killer than it is currently.

Mistform really is a life-saver, especially against Banefire-casting nations, like LA C'tis...

Kristoffer O · #4 March 19th, 2008, 05:38 AM

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atul said:
Are you people really certain that Rain of Stones affects every square in the battlefield? That isn't what I've seen. If you pause the game just at the RoS animation, you see that the visual effect doesn't hit every square, maybe about 1/3 of all. If it'd hit every square, it'd be even better mage-killer than it is currently.

Mistform really is a life-saver, especially against Banefire-casting nations, like LA C'tis...

To save graphics or the watchers eyes, most battle field spells do not display an animation on every square. I think all battlefield spells target the whole field, but there might be exceptions.

Edi · #5 March 19th, 2008, 06:38 AM

Rain of stones indeed hits everything on the battlefield. Physical damage, so helmets and armor help a lot against it. Otherwise you need luck and/or ethereality.

atul · #6 March 19th, 2008, 07:12 AM

Okay, that's what I get for trusting my own eyes.

But then, I assume Twan's interpretation is right, for I've seen many unarmoured mages survive RoS castings? Or should I replace my memory in addition to my eyes?

Twan · #7 March 19th, 2008, 09:19 AM

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Edi said:
Rain of stones indeed hits everything on the battlefield. Physical damage, so helmets and armor help a lot against it. Otherwise you need luck and/or ethereality.

Yes I wasn't thinking so but it was because I often used the spell against undeads who have sufficient protection or hp to often survive one cast. I've done a test using 2000 protection 0 Machaka militia instead and the spell killed 1646 of them, it really hits all units and not one per square (the strange thing is : like previous poster I also remember to have seen many unprotected/unbuffed mages surviving the spell in some games).

Dedas · #8 March 19th, 2008, 09:54 AM

That spell is very good when playing MA Ulm. One out of ten smiths have a chance of casting it.

PyroStock · #9 May 2nd, 2008, 05:46 PM

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Twan said:
I've done a test using 2000 protection 0 Machaka militia instead and the spell killed 1646 of them

From what I've also seen, protection/armor/helm doesn't help at all. So the 14+DRN appears to be armor negating, which isn't shown in the game's spell description.

Do avoidance rolls depend on defense #?

Anything else help besides mistform, ethereal, luck, & twistfate?