Gath, dev diary or something

WraithLord · #1 March 21st, 2008, 07:40 AM

Agree, I think keeping the giants, angelic blood in those nations well into MA and LA adds an interesting development in dom history for not only are humans ever more dominant in late ages they have almost all turned to death magic. Those nations, if based on fire, nature and astral as I suspect they should would differ in that respect as well.

They would sort of be the worlds last hope against evil and man nations such as Ermor and R'lyeh.

I'd also like to comment that the screenies are awesome and that at this point I practically can't wait to see the new patch, though OtoH I'm willing to wait as much as required for the beta testing.

OT, Meglobob, are you back?- Will you be playing MP anytime soon?- You know Fearsome Legions exploded [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Grenade.gif[/img] after you left (not by your absence though). Shame, for it just reached a boiling point [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Campfire.gif[/img]

Kuritza · #2 March 21st, 2008, 07:56 AM

I may be wrong, but... if I'm not, they hardly qualify as last hope or something. If anything, the Philistines were downright evil.
...Not to mention that Old Testaments God is not a benevolent one... at all.

And the Late Age, while touched by corruption and approaching the Rlyeh/Ermor (/Mictlan) apocalypse, is not as hopeless as it seems. Arco is as spiritual as ever, Tien Chi doesnt view death magic as something magic of rot and decay, to them its means of ancestral worship, Jomon is a proud human culture (cruel as hell, but still noble in their own way). Bogarus is full of contradictions (as it should be!), there's place for both freakish blood rituals and pure religions worship, noble Bogatyr etc. In Agartha, the dead walk peacefully amongs the living. Even Dark Forest Ulm, while downright hopeless, is inspired by some of the darker pages of human history, and may be redeemed later just as the real world survived the Dark Ages, Thirty Years War, witchhunts all over Europe etc, etc.

johan osterman · #3 March 21st, 2008, 08:06 AM

The new nations are not exactly going to be a beacon of hope. They are cannibalistic amongst other things.

Meglobob · #4 March 21st, 2008, 10:21 AM

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WraithLord said:OT, Meglobob, are you back?- Will you be playing MP anytime soon?- You know Fearsome Legions exploded [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Grenade.gif[/img] after you left (not by your absence though). Shame, for it just reached a boiling point [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Campfire.gif[/img]

Shame about fearsome legions, worst thing is Zak seems to have given up hosting.

Sadly, I am not playing any MP atm and can't see me doing so for several months but hopefully then I will be able to delegate some of my workload and join a new game.

Still on the plus side I see all the newbie MP games are filling up fast, so no shortage of new blood to play the outstanding game which is Dom3.

Just catching up on reading the forums posts as its a public holiday for Easter.

Gregstrom · #5 March 21st, 2008, 10:24 AM

Ooh, cannibals. Does that offset starvation by killing off troops?

Kristoffer O · #6 March 21st, 2008, 10:32 AM

It is mainly the ancient rephaim of the EA that devour their lesser kin.

WraithLord · #7 March 21st, 2008, 10:34 AM

Ahmm, no hope then from new nations. An LA nation that would be designed specifically to counter (thematically) LA Ermor and R'lyeh would be nice.

I agree about Arco, but my point was about the general tendency of LA nations - more human and more death magic.

About the next point I want to tread carefully since I don't want to start a religious related argument, however I must stay I strongly object to the statement "Not to mention that Old Testaments God is not a benevolent one". Not religious myself but I have studied enough to know that Judaism doesn't agree with that view. True, there were strange factions coming out of Judaism with similar views but never the main stream. I'm not familiar enough with Islam and Christianity but AFAIK they more or less share Judaism's view about God's benevolence.

Kuritza · #8 March 21st, 2008, 01:54 PM

Believers are entitled to their opinion, of course, but I'm entitled to mine. Basically, 'serve me properly OR ELSE!' isnt what I expect to hear from a benevolent deity.

But thats off topic, of course. And, well, its a good thing that death magic is popular during the LA, since dust to dust is a good counter to Ermor amongst other things.
For example, you can say that LA Jotunheim is designed to beat Ermor. It has nature (to feed starving armies and for eagles eyes), death (dust to dust) and astral (solar rays) against Ermor. Surprisingly effective.
And Rlyeh... I think that only a coalition can stop Rlyeh. Not kill it, but stalemate till its too late. You cant even hit Rlyeh underwater: thugs/SC will be paralyzed and killed, armies will be hit by Dreams of Rlyeh and drown as commander with breathgiving artifact is assassinated.

WraithLord · #9 March 21st, 2008, 02:16 PM

Yes, lets keep beliefs out of it

Your point about LA Jotun is true from practical standpoint not from thematical one. Jotun culture and background has nothing pious or anti ermor about it. I would expect an anti-ermor nation to be along the lines of MA Marignon or Pythium, only in LA so some adaption is required.

As for LA R'lyeh, what's wrong with high MR thugs/SCs with starshine cup and amulet of antimagic? - they will be pretty hard to paralyze/kill. As for dreams, doesn't high MR and bodyguards help?

Sombre · #10 March 21st, 2008, 03:19 PM

Sounds a bit like Ulm Reborn. They have specifically anti undead/demon units, high level priests and their own freespawn. Can't get much more anti ermor than that.