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[Kamamura]

DonCorazon - yes, it's a known exploit. Some people just do anything to win, even if it means spoiling the game for others. I recommend not playing that person in future again.

[llamabeast]

That's an exploit which shouldn't be used. Dammit, I wish I'd said that somewhere explicitly.

I guess it's quite likely that T'ien Ch'i either thought of it himself (I'm impressed!) or read the suggestion on the forum without reading the following community digust, in which case he certainly doesn't deserve any harsh words from us. But in any case, it's definitely not a fair move.

I'm actually open to rolling back the turn and asking just T'ien Ch'i to retake his turn but do something else with his pretender. DonCorazon, would you have the stomach to continue the game if I did that? It is indeed a silly way for the game to be finished for you.

Finally, although the end game seems different to the early and mid games and can initially be frustrating, I can reassure you that there is still plenty of strategy and options. It's not as if you have to have artifacts or Tartarians to win, so you shouldn't think that. I almost never bother getting artifacts in fact, and tend to get Tartarians as an afterthought (not that I'm one of the best players, but I've won a few games). It is a bit different though, and requires some thought. Anyway, whoever wins the early and mid games tends to win the late game (assuming they're not ganged up on), because they tend to have more gold, gems and research.

[DonCorazon]

thanks for the gracious offer, llama. At this point I am feeling somewhat soured / grumpy in Capuchin and ready to move on. I guess seeing my Niefels get slaughtered traumatized me and a roll back means what few tricks I had up my sleeve were revealed to my enemy.

But as one of the "powerful" nations (at least a couple turns ago), I will continue on with the rollback if at least a few other players have a strong desire to keep playing. I personally hate players to go AI early. But frankly, I have little desire to keep playing and trying to take thoughtful turns in this particular game.

I'd prefer to take the many lessons learned here and start a new game, I guess with more rules outlined up front. Again, I will wait to hear what others have to say.

btw, I think TC would win regardless, it is a shame he felt these types of moves were necessary. If you read the thread above, you can see I certainly don't mind getting slaughtered by "fair" means, or at least I can take it with a smile. But just getting slaughtered with no chance to fight back ? I don't even see how that provides any sense of joy to the victor.

[Tuidjy]

He did not know? Whom are you kidding?

This exploit was explicitly described in DangerPudding, when Fomoria, maybe
accidentally, used the sword of storms and the armour of virtue on the same guy.
I know, because my uncle asked my advice on that. And I gave him examples, which
he posted in the thread.

At that time, the Tien Chi player was a participant in the game, and posted after
the discussion. The discussion ended with three people posting that it is on the
short bug list, and should not be used.

So arguing that this is not an exploit is OK (albeit wrong) but saying that
Tien Chi did not know is ... naive?

[everz]

>.< is busy with exams...but I have to make some answer.
especially to some guy use his own gray heart to render mine:

This is my first MP game. Unquenched + Mists of Deception is a strategy I carried from my SP experience. Why you called it exploits? If your soldiers are quick enough to kill all phantom warriors in one turn, you will win the battle. It's a good strategy to eliminate army that has no flying troops. Anything wrong?

To the guy above: who is your uncle? I never played any game with you. I was defeated by TC, Niefel in [DangerPudding] and didn't participate in that game for a long time.

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Just viewed the discussion of DangerPudding. Haven't read that part of discussion before. My last post there is just to say bye-bye. That guy named Tuidjy seems to be a bug-master. Even his uncle asked him for advice. You should at least check with Fomoria before framing the case against me.

Some people do anything to win. But I play game for fun. Now I can not gain any more interests here. I'm going AI. Gold/gems will be distributed to other nations. My only ally will get more. Good luck for all guys remaining in the game. Sorry for any trouble after TC go AI. You defeat me, Niefelheim. By only a post, you defeat me in all games.

Although there are many hot hearted person here, it's not a civilized forum. Before today I enjoyed the feeling of playing with people, but now I realize that some person are more horrible than AI. I'm leaving and won't touch dom3 any more.

Back to prepare my own exams. Goodbye, everyone.

[Tuidjy]

Nick was Niefelheim. The quotes are from posts that came a few posts before
your last post. Am I to believe that you do not read threads that you are
posting to?

"Two scenarios:
1. Two units on field. One has "Staff of Storms", casts "Wrathful Skies", and retreats. Other stays and fight.
2. Two units on field. One casts "Mist of Deception" and retreats. Other has "Staff of Storms", casts "Wrathful Skies", and retreats.
Do we allow either? My preference is: "No" on 1, "No" on 2."

[a number of posts that all agree it is an exploit ending with]

well if it is on the bug list, ofcourse it shouldn't be used. No reason to make it such a big deal...

[three posts]

A post by you.

[everz]

Tuidjy said:
Nick was Niefelheim. The quotes are from posts that came a few posts before
your last post. Am I to believe that you do not read threads that you are
posting to?

"Two scenarios:
1. Two units on field. One has "Staff of Storms", casts "Wrathful Skies", and retreats. Other stays and fight.
2. Two units on field. One casts "Mist of Deception" and retreats. Other has "Staff of Storms", casts "Wrathful Skies", and retreats.
Do we allow either? My preference is: "No" on 1, "No" on 2."

[a number of posts that all agree it is an exploit ending with]

well if it is on the bug list, ofcourse it shouldn't be used. No reason to make it such a big deal...

[three posts]

A post by you.

I never seen/participated in your bug discussion. That thread is public and everyone could go there to find out the truth. I don't know (and don't care) where you are from and what your purpose is. Fortunately I'm leaving and won't necessarily to stay here with such kind of person like you.

To DonCorazon: A lot of fun fighting against Niefelheim. They will become nice frames in my memory.

To Firewalker: Sorry for that. I'll try to find a sub.

Finally, and honestly thank you for hosting us, llamabeast. You are a gracious host.

[spacht]

So far i have been lucky not to be on the receiving end of such exploits (and yes, i consider this one to be an exploit and not a valid strategy). A rollback and a promise by all participants not to use such exploits would be necessary to continue this game, in my opinion.

Btw, it there a collection of known exploits other than the bug shortlist?

[DonCorazon]

Everz,
I would be sad if you really meant that you would never play Dom3 again b/c of this. I enjoyed our clash up until that last maneuver. I wasn't sure if it was an exploit or a strategy that had some counter, which was why I posted - not to attack your honor. It was clearly frustrating to lose an army like that, especially since I didn’t even know what was happening or how to counter it. We should have clarified what was allowable and what is not. We are both MP noobs so there was a communication breakdown but not a big deal. If you were enjoying Dom3 MP then please keep playing it. I’d hate to see you give up something that was fun for you just b/c of this.

Btw Your game was skillful and from what I can tell you certainly deserve the win, unless someone else has something up their sleeve.

[Firewalker]

Huh. So, who all is dropping so far?

Just to try and keep track. If Niefelheim and T'ien-chi both go AI without subs, I'd say we might as well break and start a new game.