Time for a poll. (The subject is abuse)

[triqui]

Foodstamp said:
I apologize if it seemed like baiting. But I wanted to make a point that "roleplayer" is not a synonym for someone who does not min/max.

I apologize if i didnt make it clear, since english is not my first language (as you would had supposed from my grammar and spelling ). But i agree that roleplaying, and playing to win (or playing with house rules), have nothing in common.

You can roleplay, and play to win. And it is also perfectly possible refusing any kind of roleplaying, and play horribly bad.

Maybe "min-maxers" is not a correct expression for what i was trying to explain. A min-maxer might be, for example, someone that makes a triple bless with mictlan and use the controlled dominion expansion to minimize the bad scales. That is min-maxing (minimizing the disventages, and maximizing the adventage), and i have exactly ZERO problems with that.

However, in my book, there is a big step between that, and sneaking out of a besieged castle with non-sneaking troops thanks to "the current implementation of the game". Let's call this second thing different, like "munchkin". It's using something that is not *suppossed* to be there, to gain an adventage. I think Mist of Deception is in the same book: It is not supposed to do what it does (like Battle enchantments do), so I wont use it becouse i consider it an abuse, and i would join games that forbid it.

With Vengeance of the Dead, my initial gripe was exactly the same: I thought it was not working as it was supposed to work, so i thought it was an abuse. However, the Devs have just said it DOES work exactly what it is supposed to do. So there is no bug, and therefore, there is no exploit. It might be an over the average spell. But so is Thunderstrike (in a different level). Using "good" spells, or spells that have a strong effect for it cost /research is not abusing. Its being clever. Everybody use the better spells in their arsenal, and i do not find that abusive at all. Also, i dont "cry noob" becouse my SC died. Several of them die, that's not the issue.

To put it in perspective from another game, there was, time ago, a stage in Counterstrike, Manor. In that stage, there was a special position, where there was a glitch in the program. There, you did not see any wall, just players. Using a very strong rifle (what would pierce the wall) you could kill anyone in the house. THAT is what i mean with "munchkin". Using camping, or other tactics, might be more or less "fun", but are legal. But there is a qualitative jump between placing yourself in a place with a good point of view to the house's windows, while in cover (that's tactic, and maybe min-maxing tactic depending where you place yourself), and using a *glitch* in the map to shoot through invisible walls.