LeafNosedBat- EA game (upload pretenders)

[Darkstone]

Well, I haven't checked the game today to count Niefel provinces or army strength, but I'll take your word that it's too late to do anything with Niefel. I hereby take back my request for delay, subhunt, or AI.

I also wasn't accusing you of doing anything wrong. I was accusing Niefel (unless of course, he actually has a valid reason). I have no complaints of you beating him over the head with a superior strategy and his losing multiple times with poor execution of his own, I only complain that he staled for 4 turns, and in such a manner, proved less of a challenge than an AI. This is even more significant of a matter in a small 8 player game.

The territory is of course, rightfully yours, no one disputes this (though of course, that will likely change in game later, heh). You have done nothing wrong as far as I can see.

Keep in mind much of what I said earlier, and much of what I continue to state, is not directed at C'tis, or even Niefel directly, but is just in general, my opinion.

The responsibility to play out your game if able, or to find a sub or go AI if unable, is the responsibility of the player in question. While playing a MP game is hardly a commitment of any gravity, it's still not something to be dismissed with the wave of a hand. This is what leaves me the sour taste.

I am of the opinion, that the best games, are games that are also fun to lose. Dominions is one good example.

[Carkaton]

Ya, maybe I overreacted . Anyway I will try to submit Friday after work, after that I will be gone until sunday evening. Probably midnite monday GMT. If we can delay hosting until then I'd much appreciate it.

Edit: to clarify, I should be able to submit turn 27 before I leave. 28 is the one i'll need an extension on.

[Psycho]

This other game I'm playing - Figment (you may want to read the thread, it became very interesting) is hosted on Velusions server which shows whether the player stalled last turn, so everybody has that information. And if anybody stalls for two turns he is turned to AI. I think that is fair.

Carkaton, you exploited the stalling of niefel to take his lands easier than you should probably have. While I don't judge as I would've probably done the same, now that it is discovered that niefel stalled for four turns, I would like to see it turned to AI. As you said yourself, the AI will surely not be a better solution that the player you outsmarted, but is certainly better than nothing. And if you would've taken his lands as easily with him playing his turns, you certainly wouldn't object fighting the AI.

So, Edi, I ask you to turn niefel to AI.

Edit: About delaying the hosting - it's fine by me.

[Carkaton]

Agreed, Niefel should be turned to AI. I should have said something sooner I admit, and expect diplomatic reprecussions. However I will say that at this point, the AI may make it easier for me than no action at all. As I said, his capitol is under siege now. An AI will be more likely to try to break the siege where if no one is playing I will have to storm the castle, which is more difficult. It makes no real difference to me though.

BTW, I didn't mean to make it sound like I outsmarted him, just that our army makeups favored me. While I did set up one trap initially, it just happened that giants have no real killing power against cold resistant undead.

With the bless he had, I don't know if he could have made an effective counter or not. E9 N4-6 would have made his jarls unkillable by the spam and his giants much more difficult, but with no reinvigoration they'd just get wore out.

[Edi]

Sorry I didn't see this before now. I've had a couple of days of rather hectic schedule and not been on the forum much. I'll turn him AI, not that it's going to do any good at this point, since his only remaining province is being besieged by C'tis.

I request that anyone in danger of staling more than 1 turn make sure they notify us in this thread or send me a PM. That way I can delay hosting. What especially annoys me about this particular instance is that if I had known he was staling, I'd have grabbed two or three provinces off my northern border to add to my holdings. I certainly had enough troops for it. And because of that, I lost out big in terms of future potential, resources and strategic flexibility.

EDIT: By just going stale for several turns in a row, he actually screwed up my game much worse than he otherwise would have. From the looks of it, I'm soon going to be in the unenviable position of playing client state to either C'tis or Abysia before getting pasted. Even if he'd fought to he bitter end and I'd have joined in on the looting, I could have done that. But I just respected the NAP we had and got screwed because of that. Thanks a lot to Niefelheim indeed!

[Edi]

Actually, turns out I can't turn a player AI. I'd need to contact Llamabeast and have him do it, but at his point it makes no difference. So let him stale. Just one province left anyway.

[llamabeast]

Just so everyone knows, you can all see a table of who's staled and when, although I admit it's slightly hidden. Go to the LeafNosedBat page (on www.llamaserver.net), click on "Admin options", and then on "Show staling record".