Primea, newbie MA game (started)

[Shigure]

ComTrav said:
You could probably hold out for more than a turn with your massive force of barbarians, but then they wouldn't be able to continue looting and pillaging the countryside. (Which I assume is why you built so many).

The reason is much more sad than that. Namely, that Caelum keeps thunderstriking my heavy infantry and cavalry dead, and storming my crossbowmen useless... and that's pretty much the entire Marignon roster. I've been training flagellants -- unblessed flagellants -- and barbarians. ... I hate fighting Caelum.

(And, of course, those are exactly the worst possible units to use against blade winding Ulm.)

At least I won't need to work too hard to change the scales in your territory (Vanheim's turmoil/sloth/cold was pretty frustrating, although I didn't mind the Drain so much).

If I understand rightly, you don't gain any bonus from positive scales in hostile dominion. But yes, apart from the heat I didn't take any bad scales.

Ylvali said:
- Haaz! dem gozzipping buggerz can nae proof notting!

Above the waterline, here the Heavens shine directly upon the world, knowing all, revealing all with its holy light. On the land there can be no secrets!

[cupido2]

Oh Pangea and Bandar Log, why are you harrassing me like that! Pangea is bleeding to death and Bandar will face the same fate after we strangeld the Pans. All you achieve is to dig the grave for all three of us.

[ComTrav]

You are correct, I don't get a bonus from your positive scales, but since you don't have negative scales, I don't get a penalty. (And, when I get around to spreading my dominion, I won't have to work hard to change scales).

[kasnavada]

"Shinuyama should not go on with that harmless banter. You had in hands one of the main powers in the world, and couldn't beat any of us in a much too long war.

I must add that I didn't get more than 200 gold / month worth reinforcements for 20 month now (maybe even more), and still for those months you failed to beat me. You turned (unlike your predecessor) your attention to me, and let bandar log take your territory, and build an army so strong that he doesn't need me anymore to beat you.

Bleed me out ? Let me laugh. I'd already dead, left behind in research, left behind in magic, left behind in income, and only through sheer skills and willpower did I manage to survive for so long. There was nothing to bleed in the swamp that make my land to begin with. I accepted the fact that I'm going to be crushed as soon as this war is over about 20 turns ago, as I started it ! I even know the name of my future killers, for there is but 3 neighbours left to me now.

You, however, should do the same and start accepting the reality of your situation. I will remind you that you had half of your loss against my army, the other half against bandar log (which had at the start of this war the smallest military of all nations). You, my opponent, have been fighting a losing war for ages and after all that time, you still somehow fail to see it.

This may be a bit too much information to say, but, my dear opponent, I have to tell you this. You have been fighting against me, neither of us has an advantage on the battleground, and the weapons given to us where :
- 3 times more gold and gem income for you,
- my beloved maenads.

I look forward to even more wailing on your part. Go on ranting about my bleeding ! For I am a master of blood magic and not afraid of a few drinks ! Especially when my opponent doesn't realize that the blood he sees is his own. I'm just sad that I'll be thirsty soon..."
Lady lover, God of Pangaea.

[ComTrav]

i can't believe you can anything out of those maenads, even in SP they just die for me...if I ever play ma Pan in mp, I'm so rocking order/prod for those centaurs, satyr hoplites and heavily armored minotaurs. (I like the minotaurs for some reason). All with recuperation...nothing makes me more sad than to look at some of my veteran troops, some with me since the beginning, with 4 XP, but blind, crippled, and diseased. Even Erkeborn, the Prophet of Makita, the God of Ulm, will unfortunately succumb to disease soon, after a series of legendary campaigns, including crushing the feared Vans and the enormous battles of the Solian.

(Also, has anyone noticed Shinuyama's research has STOPPED the past two turns? Did a Lab burn down, has he decided he's "done" with research, or has every bakemono sorcerer needed for the campaign?)

[Ylvali]

I use meneads all the time. They die, yes. They die INSTEAD of your other troops, mages, thugs etc. In when MP your opponents rain evocations over you it is often cruical to have disposable chaff to lure the damage away from your other troops. Also meneads don´t rout easily so they are great combined with panic and fear spells in early to mid game. In late game when you combine them with army of gold, mass regeneration and stuff they are actually awesome armies to overwhelm your foes. Dont underestimate them.

[kasnavada]

My use of them is exactly as Ylvali said.

I'd rather build 10 centaurs and have 20 maenads die than building 15 centaurs and losing 5 centaurs every fight.