Water queens may be way overpowered.

[Edi]

A unit decreases 5 fatigue every turn it does not attack (so when past 100, every turn). If it has reinvig 5 on top of that, it decreases that by 10. Hence, the fatigue is capped at 190 because every time it hits 200 and goes over, that's damage and the actual fatigue drops by 10.

This is not goddamn rocket science. Reading the manual and then observing the bloody mechanics in action would answer most of these questions right out and applying the knowledge gleaned from there would allow you to figure out the rest without trouble.

[Argitoth]

What the hell? I swear I saw fatigue at numbers like 213, 222, etc. Musta been my imagination. I just did a test.

Ok, so we can assume that fatigue was rising by 10 and dropping by 10.

What about the fact that queen of the lake may be overpowered out of water?

Kristoffer O said:Use something that hits her automatically. Give her a curse and a horror mark. Petrify her. Tangle Vine her. Earth Grip her.

Ok, but remember the reason I lost that battle is because my mages retreated after 50 turns. I think eventually a soul slay would have gotten through. *shrug*

[lch]

Argitoth said:
What about the fact that queen of the lake may be overpowered out of water?

In fact it is not a fact.

[Kristoffer O]

Most SC's are overpowered out of water.

[Argitoth]

If I can prove that an earth king fully equipped will lose vs a water queen fully equipped, will you change your mind about the water queen not being overpowered?

Edit: Better question, what would it take to prove the water queen is overpowered? What situation should the water queen, in a logical or thematic sense, lose?

[Edi]

Argitoth said:

What about the fact that queen of the lake may be overpowered out of water?

You've already been told this is not the case and you've been told several ways how to counter it and what you can do. Just because you picked one SC to go toe to toe alone against the WQ does not mean the WQ is overpowered, it just means you're using the wrong tactics.

If you choose not to heed the advice given and keep repeating things so that thread only goes in circles, that's your option. I've got an option of dealing with that which involves a nice yellow lock marker appearing right next to the thread title.

Does that answer your question?

[Argitoth]

Edi, yes there's ways to counter anything that is overpowered. But if it's overpowered, there's a balance issue in the game. My goal with this discussion is to discuss if the water queen is overpowered or not and we can do some tests.

This discussion is not one that should be locked, it's very on topic and very relevant to dominions.

[Endoperez]

Water Queens are good, but Air Queen are generally better. They fly fast, farther, AND they can cast Cloud Trapeze to teleport.
Earth Kings' innate abilities aren't as powerful as the other royalty's, but he's got twice as many hp as a water queen, and very nice protection. Not to mention the fact that the Earth king can cast Petrify at the Water Queen. Also, regeneration won't help against death, so soul slay, petrify, gifts from heaven etc which kill normal SCs also kill the water queens.

[triqui]

Argitoth said:
Edit: Better question, what would it take to prove the water queen is overpowered? What situation should the water queen, in a logical or thematic sense, lose?

I think that just becouse your cheap fire mage spamming living fire lost against a heavily tailored WQ does not mean that WQ is overpowered. Only that your cheap mage was not well suited for that particular task.

[NTJedi]

The water queens are good, but not overpowered.

Argitoth if are curious about which SCs are considered the most powerful start a poll listing the most common SCs.

Here's a small list

Wraith Lord
Elemental Royals
Tartarian
Tarrasque
Ice ArchDemons
Fire ArchDemons
DemonLords
etc; etc; etc;


Or review results from the last SC Arena competition where many community members participated. Not a single entry used a water queen.