Conceptual Content Mod

[hunt11]

bogarus needs another sacred, their current sacred can be used in unique ways but you need a lot of them, and on the battle field they are just cannon fodder

[Aezeal]

The weaknesses of the longbowmen????
The weaknesses of the longbowmen????

plz ignore sawyer

[Sombre]

Longbowmen do have weaknesses. Pythian infantry kick the crap out of them for instance.

[Aezeal]

sure but to give a nation with the strongest archery in the game even stronger archery options is kinda strange.

[Sawyer]

Meh. Archery isn't going to win any games. Make the archers exorbitant and give them a very short range so that alone they'll only be able to get one shot on their targets before they're engaged in melee, and make them suck at melee.
As much as I love longbowmen they're near-powerless against heavy troops until you research and empower up to flaming arrows. It would be interesting to see what happens when we give Man a hard-to-use solution to this.

Maybe it's not a good idea, but I'd like to see it play out, I guess.

[Wrana]

BTW, "short-range AP bow" would be absolutly no help against tower shields...
On Bogarus - I've heard that currently MA factions are discussed. For Bogarus I made special mod splitting this nation into 2, which can be downloaded. However, it's not finished & currently has no graphics. Will probably be updated soon & I will mention some of its ideas here when the discussion will move to LA factions.

[Sombre]

MA Arcoscephale
Slingers based on Rhodes?
Archers based on cretans?

MA Mictlan
Recruitable atlatl (double range jav) armed infantry
Serpent/snake warrior sacreds? With poison res obviously

MA Eriu
Firbolg Fian – heroic elite firbolg with forest survival, standard (3), javs/melee
Gallowglass – foreign humans with axe + heavyish armour
Milisian kern – armed with darts (lighter javs with longer range)

MA Man
Forester recruitable – hatchet, dagger, shortbow, medium armour, forest survival, patrolbonus 1, stealth, animal awe 0/1 (also give animal awe to forester leader). Backstory is that they were formed to protect Man from invaders, brigands, rampaging animals and beasts, as well as raid the enemy to pre-empt attacks. A real all-rounder with no great strength or weakness.
Possibly wolfhounds? Non stealthy, patrolbonus 1, +1 supply, forestsurvival, similar stats to wolf. Could be summoned by a commander, recruitable, or a nature summon.

MA Marignon
Justicar – religious guards/police with fire res, good armour, mace + shield (sacred or not?) wear robes of their religious order over their armour

MA Machaka
Cheaper sacred troop? Leopard / Hyena warrior cults might be interesting, but anything sacred would certainly have to be related to spiders

MA Caelum
A hybrid missile / melee troop of some sort – might actually be used well by AI if given ammo of 2 or 3 – will fire off all ammo then attack

MA Ulm
Arbalest+tower shield ‘pavise’ unit?
Ulmish ‘Militia’ – very different from most militia, expected to hold off enemies until the slow moving regular Ulmish forces can arrive, so have to be less crap. Medium armour and halberds – even have fort def bonus of 1. All for a low gold price and (relative to other ulmish) low resources too.



EA Tirnanog
Attacotti berserker – A primitive tribe of naked berserk cannibals released in battle by the tuatha – they are like gladiators in that they are usable for only one battle?
Chariot – light/small, driver+jav chucker, not a trampler?



Spell ideas


A fireball that when it lands summons a small fire elemental – could be an excellent spell for abysia

Marignon – a holy/fire advanced version of bonds of fire – trial of fire, test of faith etc – can also throw in a panic effect or fear effect for extra synergy

W/D – Chilling bolt – frost bolt + fear effect, high prec

Spells that immobilise + cloud effects. You could have bonds of fire + sulfur cloud, tangle vines + leeching darkness (could be a great one for pangaea)


Earth gem using teleport spell – Agartha?

Battlefield wide resist elements – TC?

[Drysh]

I made this for EA Mictlan, but maybe it would fit MA too. A were jaguar (commander). I gave him the ability to shapechange at will into a jaguar. The description: "Some Jaguar Warriors remain forever in their half-jaguar form and loose their ability to turn back to human form. These rare warriors are taken to the temple and trained as priests and leaders to command the other Jaguar Warriors. They may shapechange at will into a true jaguar, and use this ability when they need to be stealthy."

[Wrana]

MA Arcoscephale
Slingers based on Rhodes?
Archers based on cretans?

Unfortunately slings have crap stats in Dom3. So while Greeks certainly had very effective slingers, in game terms these would have to have very high precision to compensate, which in turn would require them to be very costly for missilers (or they'll have to have somewhat better slings?). They can have shields, however... Elite archers should probably be capital only. Maybe it would be better to make something like RTW "heavy peltasts" which could actually hold their own in melee?

MA Mictlan
Recruitable atlatl (double range jav) armed infantry
Serpent/snake warrior sacreds? With poison res obviously

Atlatl would be fine, especially if they have more ammo also. And why do you not like Crocodiles (snake themed sacreds are present in C'tis, after all)?

MA Eriu
Firbolg Fian – heroic elite firbolg with forest survival, standard (3), javs/melee
Gallowglass – foreign humans with axe + heavyish armour
Milisian kern – armed with darts (lighter javs with longer range)

Honestly I don't like the latter two. And why don't you want to include chariots here instead of EA???

Possibly wolfhounds? Non stealthy, patrolbonus 1, +1 supply, forestsurvival, similar stats to wolf. Could be summoned by a commander, recruitable, or a nature summon.

They should be a little better than wolf - they are selected as wolf-hunters, after all...

Marignon – a holy/fire advanced version of bonds of fire – trial of fire, test of faith etc – can also throw in a panic effect or fear effect for extra synergy

That's excellent! While cloud+immobilisation would probably be too much. Unless it's for high level?

Earth gem using teleport spell – Agartha?

Fine idea, but probably would have to be of somewhat higher level than normal Teleport...

Battlefield wide resist elements – TC?

Probably Ulm too?

I made this for EA Mictlan, but maybe it would fit MA too. A were jaguar (commander). I gave him the ability to shapechange at will into a jaguar.

This I think a neat idea.
Another thought on MA Mictlan (probably C'tis as well) - is a spell which releases an arrow & then summons a snake at the point of contact possible? With a low-level making 1 arrow-snake & high-level many, similar to Vine Arrow/Storm of Thorns?