Russian units v4

[KraMax]

194. unit 922 - ZSU-23-4M2 – FC=10 (my mistake), change weapon, smoke dischargers= ????. We offer clean units 820, 821 – not found data for this unit.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/14/
http://pvo.guns.ru/shilka/shilka.htm
195. unit 401 - ZSU-57-2 – quantity shells=300
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/14/
http://pzaku.net/homepage/16/
http://pvo.guns.ru/book/uvz/index.htm
196. unit 419, 420 - 57mm AA-Gun – name S-60 AA-Gun, in arms 1950, towed, weight 4 tons, crew 8, size=2. Iam not found data for modernized variant 1966, can be EW modernized or not.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tyzenitnaya/5/
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/s-60.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/s60/index.htm
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/57-%D0%...%98%D0%A1-2%29
http://pzaku.net/homepage/25/
197. unit 870 - MT-LB w/ZU-23 – weight 12 tons, iam offer 1980 and change unit class SP Flak=22, weapon2=7.62mm PKT TMG, on basis of chasis MT-LB, speed 20 and 2 water
198. unit 873 - Truck w/ZU-23 – carry=132 ?????, iam offer change unit class SP Flak=22
199. unit 405 - 2S6 Tunguska – in arms and batch production 1982, stabilizer 4 (new stibilizer), 8 missiles, weapon 2=clean, EW=8
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...tunguska.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm
200. unit 406 - 2S6M Tunguska – name 2S6 Tunguska M, vision=30, EW=8, stabilizer=4, weapon2=clean
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...tunguska.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm
201. unit 823 - 2S6M1 Tunguska – name 2S6 Tunguska M1, in arms 2003-2004, EW=9, stabilizer=4 ?????, FC=120, RF=22
http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...tunguska.shtml
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/18/
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%9A...BA%D0%B0%C2%BB
http://www.vko.ru/DesktopModules/Art...ersion=Staging
http://www.kbptula.ru/rus/zencom/tungr.htm
202. unit 414 - Pantzyr-1 – name S1 Pantsyr or Pantsyr-S1, weight 20 tons, crew 3, stabilizer not bad Tunguska=4 or 5, FC=125, vision=40, speed 28, change missiles weapon from our OOB, divide misiles on slots weapons 2,3 and 4, EW=9, “Under the statement of the assistant to the commander-in-chief of the Air Forces colonel general Anatoly Nogovitsyna, first samples SPSAM «Pantsyr-S1» will arrive in the Russian Air Forces in 2008.”
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/18/
http://www.missiles.ru/Pansir.htm
http://www.russarms.com/land/vpvo/tech-pzrk-c-1-pan.asp
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%...%D1%8C-%D0%A11
http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm

[DRG]

194. We offer clean units 820, 821 – not found data for this unit.

195. unit 401 - ZSU-57-2 – quantity shells=300


I have no intention of entering into a dialogue with you over each and every one of these points but these two caught my eye.

194... Have we not gone over this before ? Those two units are DESIGNED to provide ground support fire NOT act as SPAA's and that is why they are set up in the unit class they are with the weapon they have. Also, I have NO IDEA if the phrase "We offer clean units " is coming from your own translation of Russian to English or this is what the automatic translator spits out but after reading it two dozen times I have to think it's the later. The correct phrase would be "remove unit" not "clean unit" and in any case I have no intention of doing so. Those units weapon should probably be WC5 rather than WC19 but I think it was put in 19 to allow it some AA capability as WC19 will opfire on helos to be fair but it's primary purpose is to engage ground targets. Every time you "find" this you complain about it and it's getting tiresome.

195. quantity shells=300 Great. AA guns fire "bursts" so the number of shells issued to a unit like that is the number of bursts of fire it's capable of

Don

[KraMax]

194. OK. But at a unit 820 fire control should be 10 (without a radar), and at a unit 821 fire control should be 15 (without a radar). In game also the gun of class Autocannon cannot shoot on planes. ZSU-23 without a radar turns actually in ZSU-57-2 also without a radar. At ZSU-23 increases ammo at the expense of an empty seat from a radar, but other aim devices do not removed. These two units should be SP Flak with radio=93. They will operate effectively on the land purposes and to shoot on air targets. unit 821 - TI available - not found data.
195. OK

[KraMax]

DRG said:
...
I have no intention of entering into a dialogue with you over each and every one of these points but these two caught my eye.
...
Don

Dear Don and Andy.

We with the great pleasure would would like to enter with you meaningful dialogue on any unit or the weapon in this theme of a forum. We want that you have correctly understood us - we wish to help you with improvement of this excellent game.
On the weapon, units and formations at us it is a lot of data and all these data we plan will share with you. To us it is not difficult. We all it do voluntary and certainly free of charge - because we love this game and we want that it became even better. If you have paid attention, we not only improve our armies, but also we underestimate their characteristics if characteristics of units or the weapon were more low in a reality.
We hope for meaningful dialogue with you.

Yours faithfully.

p.s. sorry for my bad English. I sometimes write the text itself, and sometimes by means of the machine translator.

[KraMax]

203. unit 416 and 417 - ZPU-2 AAMG and ZPU-4 AAMG – in arms 1949
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...relogneoru/38/
204. unit 410 - SA-7 SAM – name Strela-2 SAM, in arms 1968, in 1970 modernized – name Strela-2M SAM, EW=2
http://pvo.guns.ru/pzrk/strela_05.htm#2
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/14/
205. unit 411 - Strela 3 Team – name Strela-3 SAM
206. units 770 and 771 - SA-18S SAM – name Igla-S SAM, in arms 2002, we offer EW=4 for this type weapons.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/14/
207. units 409, 410, 411, 412, 413, 770 and 771 - Why such small radio?
208. unit 409 – SA-16 SAM – name Igla-1 SAM
209. unit 412 - SA-18 SAM – name Igla SAM
210. unit 413 - SA-18V SAM – name Igla-N SAM
211. SAM Dzhigit - It is intended for placing, prompting on the purpose and single or a volley of start-up of two rockets of type "Igla" to one crew, can work at any time, use external preliminary instructions of the purpose, identify the purposes as "-another's".

The oporno-launcher "Dzhigit" has no analogues on ability to conduct a volley start-up of anti-aircraft missiles SAM. At a volley start-up increase of probability of defeat of the purpose on the average in 1,5 times is provided. Calculation 1 person.
Date not found.
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...c/igla_c.shtml
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/14/
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%...D0%A0%D0%9A%29
http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vsk/pzrk_dp_dzhigit.html
http://gunsrus.narod.ru/djigit.htm
212. unit 328 - RPG-6 Team – we offer remove this unit. Anti-tank pomegranates are not an occasion to allocate from structure squad fighting team - 2 soldiers. In army of the USSR or Russia in separate RPG teams were allocated only heavy and reusable RPG is - RPG-2, RPG-7, RPG-16D, RPG-7V, RPG-29. Such command usually had 5 shells RPG.
Lungs RPG - RPG-18, RPG-22, RPG-26, RPG-27, RPG-28 - are disposable and individual means of struggle of soldiers against tanks. For one squad it was allocated, depending on a task in view, from 50 % to 100 % of lungs RPG for each soldier i.e. squad from 10 persons - could receive or 5 RPG-22 or 10 RPG-22 - all depended on a solved problem it squad.

213. units 766 and 767 – RPG-18 and RPG-22 – we offer remove this units.

214. RPG-2, RPG-7, RPG-7V teams – 5 shells. Why such small radio?

[Marek_Tucan]

212. RPG-6 team represents (if I got it correctly) a tank hunter group as those used frequently in WW2. OOB in SP doesn't include only proper OOB units but also attempts, if feasible, to present some "wartime only" creations.

213. As above.

214. Radio? In theory RPG teams and indeed most of infantry nits should have radio value 0, who in his right mind would bother with carrying RPG/RPG shells AND a radio?

[KraMax]

Marek_Tucan said:
212. RPG-6 team represents (if I got it correctly) a tank hunter group as those used frequently in WW2. OOB in SP doesn't include only proper OOB units but also attempts, if feasible, to present some "wartime only" creations.

We did the OOB being based on data about organizational-regular structures of our armies. On it we cannot allocate from structure squad group of several persons with anti-tank grenades for hunting for tanks. This group will operate as a part of uniform squad i.e. we should not allocate it from squad. In ours OOB we have shown the most exact structures squad's our armies. After the Second World War very many in army of the USSR has changed is both ranks, and structure of divisions, etc.

214. Radio? In theory RPG teams and indeed most of infantry nits should have radio value 0, who in his right mind would bother with carrying RPG/RPG shells AND a radio?

Ok. From the beginning of 90th years at many countries the parametre radio grows to 80 or 90.

[Marek_Tucan]

KraMax said:
We did the OOB being based on data about organizational-regular structures of our armies. On it we cannot allocate from structure squad group of several persons with anti-tank pomegranates for hunting for tanks. This group will operate as a part of uniform squad i.e. we should not allocate it from squad. In ours OOB we have shown the most exact structures squad's our armies. After the Second World War very many in army of the USSR has changed is both ranks, and structure of divisions, etc.

But that's it, while RPG-6 armed tank hunters aren't in official OOB, they do present a wartime ad-hoc tank fighting unit. RPG-7's also werent supposed to be fired over and behind the enemy fortification to shower the enemy with splinters but were used rather frequently in this manner in Afghanistan. And given footages from Chechnya etc., I really cannot recall whether I have seen regular army squad adhering to the standards atleast once.