Icon0099.shp

[DRG]

If you look at the WINSPMBT_MasterIconList.txt you will see there is currently room for 4697 icons in the MBT SHP files. The only way to go higher is if I add new slots to the code and I have no immediate plans on need to expand that number beyond what you see on that list.

Don

[RecruitMonty]

Do you have any suggestions as to empty slots?

[RecruitMonty]

What about the modding community? I know I don't speak for myself when I say that the remaining .SHP files open to exploitation can quickly be used up. Just by creating different camo patterns for existing units that lack a winter or desert scheme uses up a load of space.

[Mobhack]

It is not our task to keep track of third-party efforts. That is the third party's job.

Therefore after any release, it is up to those third parties to check that any shape file slots used, scenario slots, OOB changes and so forth that affect their mod in the official release are dealt with by a new mod version as necessary.

Cheers
Andy

[RecruitMonty]

No one ever said, or even suggested, you needed to keep track of the third party mods. Obviously its our, the modders, job to do so. They are our mods after all. My point is it wouldn't hurt to have had, or better yet to have, a little bit more space for new .shp files.

Those of us who are doing big projects need extra space; which by the way don't just benefit ourselves but the community as a whole as the icons and things we create get used (if we decide to release them, which we invariably do) by others including yourselves; otherwise thats the end of the line for development right there.

I personally have used and created a large amount of icons. I am sure that I am not the only one.

Now of course I could go and find the BMPs etc that were already in-game and replace them with newer altogether better looking ones or I could dig around and replace every single piece of German kit still in the game with newer more colourful and accurate versions but then that would be terribly laborious and very limiting.

Limiting, of course, because if, like me, you insist on having a field grey, camo, desert and winter scheme for as many of your vehicles as possible and if you insist on trying to portray something approaching evolution in the design of your vehicles then thats a whole load of space used up right there.

What you are both basically saying is that its not your problem and we can go to hell, for the time being. What do you suggest, we start hacking up the in-game shape files?As it is the extra icons I have added on were always, well almost, tacked on to the end to avoid having to ruin anything that SPCAMO had produced. Now I can't do that anymore and soon enough other people will encounter smilar difficulties.

[Mobhack]

We simply cannot take into consideration what any third parties do with the game data, since merely keeping track of the official data is a big enough chore of a job.

Therefore - any third party modder will have to adopt a change strategy that takes future official changes into account. There are no "reserved for modders" sections of any of the game data - and even if there were, then modder A would be clashing with modders B and C etc.

Changed OOBS and sound files are really the only supported end user modification to core game data, with the OOB swapper utility there to allow selection of the appropriate changed data set (e.g. for a scenario that uses one). Once you start playing around with other core game data like SHP files and AI pick lists that is not designed for end-user modification , then that is game hacking and therefore not the game designer's responsibility to make any allowances for in any future release. Therefore, any new release will likely require a new version of any game mod that involves hacked data, just like any other game does (e.g. hacks for the Sims).

Cheers
Andy

[DRG]

The Icons slots available were set up the way they are so that we, the game designers, would have enough empty spots to add Icons in the future without having to expand that list every time we issued a patch as we had done in the early days. The added slots were NOT added so that third party modders could stake out a claim to them. We have said a number of times over the years that those empty slots are for our use and that I would NOT set aside blocks of Icons for anyone and I have no intention of changing that policy.

Don