The New Hinnom Nation

[Saulot]

I'm pretty sure a spell can only be shared by 3 nations. Though it can have multiple copies.

[Meglobob]

The problem is not enough viable/powerful, magically diverse (ie...anything other than death/astral) SC chasis for the end game.

A new spell was added this patch which is very nice, manifest vitriol, so why not add a couple of new lvl 9 spells to add non-nation specific SC's.

The benefits of doing so are:-

An end to tartarians, tartarians and nothing but tartarians. No point in nerfing them if there are no viable alternatives!

You can then have nation only specific SC's like the Grigori with no end game balance issues.

Freshen up the end game considerably.

Help blance nations with no access or very weak access to death/astral.

Help balance nations with no national only spells or weak national only spells.

Currently, Death, Blood have plenty of summonable SC's/thugs so they are okay.

Astral has wish and other powerful end game spells, master enslave etc... so that is ok.

Earth has unique artifacts, all the magic items so leave earth alone.

This leaves Fire/Air/Nature/Water very weak in the SC department having no really outstanding SC summon, I know there are elemental kings/queens but they are unique and very limited in number. Sadly the tarrasque does not cut it either.

[MaxWilson]

Meglobob said:
This leaves Fire/Air/Nature/Water very weak in the SC department having no really outstanding SC summon, I know there are elemental kings/queens but they are unique and very limited in number. Sadly the tarrasque does not cut it either.

Conceptually, I like the Tarrasque. I'd like to see it boosted. It's already a pretty serious combatant, but the lack of slots and magic means it doesn't make a good SC if you GoR it. It's a dragon, so what if it was made flying, and had N3E1 magic (when GoR'ed)?

-Max